sherrilyn, appreciate you being here. sherrilyn eiffel, thank you so much. rev and valerie, stay with us. >>> up next, we explore the psychology behind why people call the cops when no crime is being committed. >>> as we go to break, we went around the country listening to stories of bias in everyday life. here's one. >> it was surreal, looking around and seeing all this activity and understanding immediately what was happening. >> when did things go wrong? >> we were packing our vehicle, we are driving out, out of the blue police cars swoop down in front of us and behind us and cops are jumping out of their vehicles, hands on their hols r lsrs pointing into the car, hands up, hands up, handsup. >> at that point i didn't even think he was talking to us because in my opinion we're just coming from airbnb going to where we are going. >> the policeman said do you guys know what's happening? and he said yeah, the neighbor called and said there were three black people stealing stuff. >> they said luggage and stuff. >> because there's three black people in the nei

sherrilyn ifill and heather mcgee, some really smart people that put it together. and as angela said, it's a good start. really what has to happen, it has to be embedded in the culture of every work place, every entity and be a part -- when you hire somebody you need to talk about it. it needs to be talked about in the culture how your policies, the fact starbucks moved to a policy to come in, use the bathroom, sit there if you want, those are things that are biased within themselves that are rolling back. and we need to really look at it. >> yeah, but not many. not many establishments will let anybody in to use their bathroom willy-nilly, so that's pretty good, and to congregate there. so they have made that stride. but on a bigger level we see in the recent primaries, for instance, in georgia, unbelievably, you know, stacy abrams, a black woman, has won that race over there and is the first black woman candidate for governorship in america. do you think that is the kind of game-changing future, michaela, for instance that will have just as much affect as training

involved such as brian stevenson and the equal justice initiative and heather mcghee of demos and sherrilyn helping to establish this curriculum and to form it, i think that it's important that we take a step back and think what's the long-term curriculum. also i'm thinking about the starbucks locations that are all over the country. in your question you make an important point. there's a -- you've got to think about what's the -- you know, where the -- all the things that starbucks benefits from from cities, where are the benefits -- what are the benefits coming out of? where are they going to put the benefits into cities? i've got to see a little bit more than training to get a little biltmore optimistic. >> and that's my point. you get tax abatements, you get incentives to come into cities. do you do business with black money managers that could invest in those cities? do you deal with hbcus to change the educational options for our community? do you get involved in how we deal with the culture in the communities? it can't just be training your employees. >> exactly. and i think that tha