we spoke to sherwin rosari, senior vice president of pakistan's movement for justice. she told us, relations between the 2 nations are likely to change as a result of biden's comments. i think it's up to long since, and it's also in a way amusing that it's coming from a country that has a record of being addicted to the rest of the world. and this is the country that interferes militarily. well, the one, this was a formal address, it was not to drive it private meeting. those are the views of the president of the united states, and he cannot make it responsible to them all. and unfortunately up doesn't go well . so this is because of a lack of engagement. in the last few weeks, you see this in i think this is going to damage relations because he is here and you keep ability. and it is not something that we like the because it's not the 1st time that the american leadership or the american establishment has made these sort of remarks against fight. so it doesn't offer american attacking pakistan in this particular fashion. and i think it makes it very difficult, but any