sheryl crow and i and some other people created something called the recording artists coalition and and testified before senate committees and did this, that and the other, and it came to little, you know, because, you know, again, the internet companies are very big and very powerful. >> rose: when you hear sinatra's voice, what do you hear? >> what do i hear? >> rose: is it phrasing, is it -- >> his phrasing is incredible, first of all. nobody could phrase like him. there might have been better singers tonality, you know, dean martin and sammy davis, jr. might have sung more in tune, but sinatra was the king of phrasing and delivering a certain sort of feeling you didn't get from any other singers. >> rose: i've had painters come to me and talk about the art of creating, and they are constantly going to museums or going to galleries or looking or going to wherever their artists friends are having things and they're looking and examining and they're saying what is this artist doing? how is color, how is texture, how is the stroke and examine it clinically. do you do that? >> yes. i