i didn't spent nearly as much time with shevardnadze. i had one interview in moscow in the foreign ministry, but that's more than anybody else had. so, i don't know, in the kingdom of the mind, the man is king perhaps. but i watched him over time as well. c-span: the interesting thing i noticed that in your liner notes, your acknowledgements you sign off on this in the introduction at january 1991. this book was written long before the coup attempt. >> guest: yes, it was. i made some changes as late as this last spring and early part of the summer, but even that was before the coup attempt. but a lot of the things that happened -- later you can see them sort of growing. you can almost see the seeds growing in this book as the hard-liners get more authority in moscow, as the military begins to interfere more with what gorbachev is wanting to do, even in 1989 and 1990, as the consequences of the change in eastern europe began to be felt in the soviet union. c-span: you also interviewed cap weinberger? >> guest: yes. c-span: and you talk a