(explosion) he initiated unprecedented unrestrained violence against the shia. (explosion) (siren blaring) >> 170 people died in that weekend truck bombing... >> daily life in iraq: the kidnappings and thousands of killings every month. >> these killings have created a climate of fear. >> a wave of sectarian killing across iraq left at least... >> narrator: zarqawi was becoming known by a new name: the sheikh of the slaughterers. >> a suicide car bombing killed 12. >> once he pivoted to shia, baghdad was just hammered with huge car bombs, but also just daily assassinations... ...of families, of neighbors. then you started having those torture cells, the beheading videos... the invasion toppled the government, but zarqawi ripped the country in half. >> god, the horrible, horrible years in iraq, when there were, you know, hundreds and hundreds of car bombs and suicide bombings, it was incredible what they did. i mean, it was murderous, it was psychopathic, it was horrific, but it was really extraordinary. >> narrator: for osama bin laden, the violence against fell

these are followers of shia click muqtada al sadr. it's the second day they have reached this secure diplomatic area tearing down heavy concrete blocks. there are reports that it may be breaking up and one leader is urging people to leave but on saturday there were chaotic scenes as the same group stormed the government building, the parliament building also within the secure green zone. the iraqi prime minister has ordered authorities to arrest those who caused damage and also attacked members of parliament and police during the action. while the situation appears to have calmed since yesterday, it is by no means resolved, and there is overall concern about this political chaos, a fear that the iraqi government is losing its grip at a time when the u.s. wants it to focus on the fight against isis and it's counting on that saturday. arthel. >> emotions continue to run high there. kitty logan, thank you for the latest there from london. gregg. >> >> the growing turmoil in iraq could have major implications for the u.s. strategy in figh

sh shia labeouf. crazy game of hide and seek. >> we found him! >> yeah!>> let's go along with sean mcclain for his first skydive. he's in florida, all geared up. it's his first jump so he'll do it tandem and there goes sean having the time of his life. >> you hope. >> you hope it's this moment he doesn't realize i don't wanna do this! >> he's smiling like i was so >> h;ñs smiling like i was so igthis and he really, really, really, really wants to do this because there is a bittersweet reason mind his first jump. turns out his mother used to be an avid skydiver, used to love this but recently passed so he decided to go on his first skydive and watch this. he pulls out a baggie and starts opening it up. >> oh. >> he has taken his mother's ashes up with him, and look. he started spreading those ashes as they're gliding over florida >> that's cool. >> that's really taking your mom's experiences into account and doing what she would probably love for you to do. >> right, kind of like connecting him with her at the same time. it's a wonderful thought. >> he dec

so, that was the first offense that the shia think. they think he was a usurper of the right successor to the prophet. and then, afterwards, there was a series of imams from the house of the prophet. they think succession like the happen withind the house of the prophet. that is the fundamental fault line as to who is the ruler. now, a couple of other differences. how do you pray? there are some differences. and then, it became much more significant geopolitically once iran embraced shiaism as the state religion, with arabs and turks mostly adopting sunnism. some other differences are for example, inheritance. in the sunni legal system, the daughter is not entitled to equal inheritance rights as the sons. in shiaism, she is. that is why even some sunnis who have only daughters, in order to keep that wealth in the family, they become paper shiites so that their daughters can get all of their wealth rather than some of it going to the other relatives, because they did not have a son. there are some minor differences, but the fact that is

not just regular army, which you shia dominated the sides but shia militia who in the course of this offensive against isis over the past year or so have committed more than their fair share of human rights abuses and war crimes and this goes directly to the shia sunni conflict of fallujah a long-time sunni strong hold and gave us a fight in the immediate aftermath of the overthrow of saddam hussein over a year ago. no doubt it would be a step forward for the government in baghdad it take fallujah. how easy it's going to be is another question. >> and whether their forces are up to it. >>> if i may, am bat bass dor wb /* am back dor, the white house talking about killing a major obstacle for the u.s. hopes for ending the war in afghanistan. what does this mean, do you think, for ending the fighting there? >> i think it is good news he's been cold. he was the taliban leader who took over after mullah omar was was killed. although he concealed the fact mullah omar was dead for two years after he announced he was the leader. i'm on the skeptical side as to whether this will mean anythin

of course, iraq is a shia majority state. so, yeah, i see -- i see a lot of iranian influence. >> so what -- so what, from your perspective, should the united states be saying, doing building, you know, a coalition of other countries that have a stake in long-term iraqi stability in order to make sure that this shia perspective, this radical shia perspective, does not poison any ability to bring the pseu-- >> i don't know anything we can do other than continue to work with the iraqi government. president obama is incrementally increasing the presence of u.s. forces there. tom probably knows the extent and degree of that better than i do. but i think that's probably called for now. i hate to see it. hate to see us going back in there. we're not going back in full bore. >> if maliki had allowed for 10,000 american troops to stay in iraq, how, in your opinion, do you think that -- >> i think that would have made a big difference. i really do. i think it would have made a difference in -- it wouldn't have made a difference in whe

of baghdad and the holy shia cities to the south. they have a real interest in cleansing the area but the government and interest in the world has an interest not seeing the sunnis driven into the arms of isis because we need these roccations to retake syria and mosul in iraq. it will be better after we deal with isis than before. usa: thank you for joining with the benefit of your experience. today, the former leader of chad, hissene habre, was found guilty of crimes against humanity. he was sentenced to life in prison. it is the first time in african union-backed court has tried a for crimeser against humanity. >> minutes after the verdict was pronounced, able let out their joy. years inple spent prison. some are physically damaged or torture. >> i am very satisfied with the verdict. with life in prison is fine with me. >> i'm surprised you have -- i am surprised to have so much joy. they feel this is a historic day for the country and africa. the day the chadian people put a dictator in prison. tosene habre was sentenced life in p

lamb: and maliki is a shia. mr. khalilzad: right. mr. lamb: and what's the difference. i've asked that question to a has f guests but no one defined it, the difference sunni and a shia. mr. khalilzad: about 97% the fundamental difference is that who was the legitimate successor to the prophet. when the prophet died, mohammed, should have succeeded him. who hia believe that ali , was the son-in-law of the prophet prophet. mr. lamb: mohammed ali? mr. khalilzad: is mohammed ali, but ali, who was the first imam shias, he was married to the prophet's daughter, that he, ali, his father's name was abitalit. talit, should be the successor. sunnis believed, and this started right after the that the he prophet, community of the people around right to t had the appoint or select a successor, abubactor, the and s of the caliphateric, isis is talking about caliphate. ing the mr. lamb: which means what. mr. khalilzad: the ruler. the caliphate essentially means caliph.the that was the first offense that abubaka was nk that he usurper of the right successor to the prophet. there was ae

ethnic shia population. traditionally, throughout most of islamic history, as i understand it, sunni -- the sunnis were dominant in the muslim world. now with discovery throw of saddam hussein and a new shia government in iraq, that upset the soon me world, led by saudi arabia, because they see it as enhancing the power of iran, and it's those two -- that dynamic which has really altered the entire region. that's the basic political change we create with our invasion of iraq, that we, by turning iraq from sunni dominated to shia dominated, we upset the geopolitical balance of the region, i argue and that has led to a new cold war between the saudi arabia and iran, and that is kind of running in parallel to the problems of the palestinians and the israelis. so it's added a whole nuther lay of completionplexty to the geopolitical aspects of the region. >> what do you think the effect of our response to global warming, not just the droughts in the area, hour it's -- but the fact that we're now oil producers and

to put the pictures of the saudi shia cleric that was killed on all the missiles. message is very clear, that this is a shia/sunni fight, not about bringing iraq together. >> brett, i have to ask you, you have written eloquently against donald trump from the beginning, the rest of the republican establishment has collapsed and surrendered to and entered he not particularly warm embrace. are you going to vote for donald trump in the fall? >> i most certainly will not vote for donald trump. i will vote for the least left wing opponent to trump and i want to make a vote and make sure that he is the biggest loser in presidential history since i don't know, alf landon or going back further. it's important that donald trump and what he represents, this kind of ethnic, quote, conservatism or decidively be rebuked that they will forever learn their lesson, they cannot nominate a man to manifestly unqualified to be president in any way, shape or form. so they have to learn the lesson perhaps the way mcgovern learned a lesson. george willis said let's have him lose in 50 sta

they have to empower the local government there and support them in making sure that the shia militiare not allowed to run rampant terrorizing and oppressing the sunni population there. this kind of action in the past is exactly what created the oxygen for isis to go in and take these territories in the first place. >> you're aware that u.s. special forces were caught on video. caught in photographs deep inside syria right outside the isis capital, in effect, pentagon insisted those troops were not on the forward line. is it a fact that u.s. forces in iraq and syria are in combat roles today? >> first of all, our special operations forces are most skilled professional fighting force that we have in the military. their goal and objective is to go and take out our enemy. to take out those who attacked us on 9/11. isis and al qaeda. while they're in iraq and syria to train and assist and equip these local fighting forces, to me the idea that these special operations forces are not able to go after our enemy is kind of absurd to me. >> so by your definition, you have experience in iraq. o

the shia militia have been around the position in the city. as you see iraqi tanks and yes, they are going into the city with support from iraqi artillery, we don't think we would have seen after the rebuilding of the iraqi army, mixed with coalition air power, especially the american ones. it's precisely targeting the isis forces inside the city of fallujah. as fred mentioned, estimates are between 400 and 1,000 fighters. that's what the intel estimates are saying but certainly holding human shields within the last couple of days, in fact, executed some of the men and boys within the city of fallujah who refuse to fight for isis. this is going to be a tough fight. the iraqi government says they should close it down within two days and clear the forces. i doubt that, jim. >> are you worried about iran supporting our iraqi allies on the ground and the u.s. in effect on the same side as iran in this battle? >> truthfully, i am not. i think a lot of the iranian, shia militias, i don't want to call them iranian, it's coming out of the core and sup

the reality of the sunni-shia divide is daily, and you can pick date when you remember that beginningn 2003. you can see how they could make that mental association, when the americans came, they created the sunny-she use divide although chronologically doesn't make any sense. >> once again, thank you very much for being here. and for responding. i wanted to ask you about one of the strong -- potential strong men that your assessment is turkey. the -- >> erdogan. >> i got it. the pyk, the re-assertion of their sphere of influence -- >> got it, got it. >> the empire, yes. >> for the sake of time. the problem with turkey, we could do a whole week. it's one of the most interesting conflicts, or dynamics. as? strongmen are trying reemerge you're also seeing the old empire trying to re-emerge. when there's a breakdown of order, lots of people try to make hay. russian, i think, is trying to rae establish a czarist sphere of influence, and decided the way to do that is through keeping an alliance with bashar al-assad, making an alliance with some kurdish groups, with iran. and erdogan wants

now, these protesters are followefollow ers of a shia cleric and this is the second day they've breached the secured diplomatic area. protesters say they want new elections and a new prime minister. this crisis has been brewing for many months, but it came to a head on saturday when a crowd stormed baghdad's parliament in chaotic scenes. now, the iraqi prime minister has promised, as you say, to arrest those who caused damage and attacked police and politicians. but the iraqi government has more than this on its mind today, because of those two bomb attacks earlier in the southern city. isis has claimed responsibility for these. it does seem to be extending its reach beyond its usual stronghold, which is in the north and the west of the country. it says it targeted iraqi police, but many civilians were caught up in these blasts. now, back in baghdad, the political tensions may have come for now, but this crisis is not over, and there's, of course, concern that his political turmoil could distract the iraqi government from its fight against isis. >> i'm going to discuss this scenario with

they are going after shia militia with suicide bombers to create a civil war because they are losing battles in mosul and tikrit. they also declared a state of emergency in the capital. they want to unsettle the middle east. that will cost us a fortune to go in there and try have to settle all this that is going on in the middle east. they are working at what they are doing. they stormed the green zone in baghdad. this as said strategy of suicide bombers and it is working right now. >> and gary b. it goes to the point here in the united states of the amount of money we're spending every year just on homeland security. >> well yeah, i mean i guess you could argue that the money is at least being spent and if the government spends it, it still goes into the gross national product. that is the good side. i just don't think it is being spent in the way that the average consumer would like it being spent. getting back to the main point. look, we've had the best worst president in my opinion -- and he has rnt even been able to derail it. so these terrorists certainly are not going to do an

state, a shia majority -- i see a lot of iranian influence. senator markey: from your perspective, what should the united states be saying or doing -- building a coalition of other countries that have a stake in long-term iraqi stability in order to make sure that this shia perspective, this radical shia perspective does not poison any ability to bring the sunnis and the kurds long-term back to the table to have a united country? mr. baker: i don't know anything we can do other than continue to work with the iraqi government. president obama is incrementally increasing the presence of u.s. forces there. tom knows the extent and degree of that better than i do. i think that is probably called for now. i hate to see it. i hate to see us going back in there. we're not going back in full board. senator markey: if maliki had around -- had allowed for more troops to stay in iraq -- mr. baker: i think that would've made a big difference. i think it would have made a difference in -- it would not have made a difference in whether or not the maliki gov

he claimed the attack was aimed at shia militiamen.s survivor said he hid under a table and rescuers took away body parts of shoppers who were no longer recognizable. there is much anger at the random nature of the attack. the explosion killed a woman, her brother, and her knee's, as well as -- her niece, as well as other people who came here to shop. jim: on the east side of baghdad there was anger in the sprawling shia suburb. this was the aftermath of a suicide car bomb explosion which took many lives. the city has been the target of provocative attacks by the sunni militants. another suicide bomber struck after this attack nearby. is the second blast. one was here, one was outside a restaurant. we are fed up with the violence. iraqi authorities in the western coalition believe it is because the militants are losing so much ground on the battlefield. they say they have lost half of the territory they controlled at the height of their expansion two years ago. little consolation for the survivors of these increasingly frequent bomb at

the shia militias are playing a prominent battle rule and are in a jubilant mood after the advances. of their leaders was also upbeat. >> it is a court native plan. coordinated plan falluja. in a few days we expect to have surrounded -- we expect to have falluja surrounded. many in the south are being used as human shields. jim: the frontline has advanced and they are seeing troops and militias being pushed toward the town being defended by, at most, a few thousand militants. also there are 150,000 civilians. smoke going up because there is a battle there as the forces move in on falluja from different directions. the next days will be an assault on the town. that is when it is believed that the civilians they cannot get out are under risk. they hope that i.s. will be under such pressure they will lead them out peacefully. it is unclear how much of a fight militants will put out. -- put up. if a fight to the death there are fears that much of the city will be left. we mentioned, in syria, kurdish led forces are pushing closer to raqqa, a home to thousands of islamic state fighters. d

they are promote ago shia-led iraq. they are not friends of the kurds or sunnis. i think they are a devicive force in this and will continue to be so. >> rose:nd maliki has never left the scene? >> right. he was so strong-willed and so destructive. he's the one as a shia leader who could not get along with the sunni and kurdish leadership. he was poisonous in that relationship. under their current constitution, he's still technically, i think, the vice president. he says he doesn't want to come back to power. a lot of people don't believe him. prime minister abadi is beset on all side. muqtadaer, the shiite cleric, has been leading street protests against him. the kurds, of course, have been talking about if not full-fledged autonomy, independence. so you have a country that's breaking apart at the seams and is not in the interest, i think, of the united states to promote a partition of iraq and to -- into two or three states because, if we did that, it would be a major roll of the dice, what would be the impact on the syrians. would that country then split? what

or whether it is a militia that is mostly see shia militia fighting against isis.erence how we're going to stabilize the country. does it make a difference in even how do we get rid of isis or not. >> let me get your take on this real quick. all of this is coming at a time when americans want their government to actually to do less overseas. this is according to a new pugh research poll that showed 57% want the focus to be on domestic issues instead of helping other countries. do you think that u.s. politics and the presidential election will hinter the help that is needed in iraq right now? >> i have to be very honest. a lot of the crisis that we're in is not -- has not come in a vacuum view of u.s. intervention in iraq. we have a very bad anti-corruption law, for example. that was introduced by the administration of iraq. a lot of the issues, the tension between sunni and shia are talking with nonstate actors has actually america contributed to some of that tension. so i am not a fan of u.s. intervention in iraq. i am a fan of international pressure on iraq that

al-sadr's shia jaysh militia regularly battled the u.s. military. mr. al-sadr has reinvented himself as a populace.t but complicating matters for him, iraqi kurds in iran are opposed to those reforms. they fear their loss of influence will follow. pat, will you summarize? pat: what's going on, john, if talking about isis or daesh, is they have lost the in syria and iraq combined have lost 40% of their raqqa and syria, the capital of isis, and syria is great pressure, as is mosul. however, the problem the americans have and the others have is they don't have the ground forces to take mosul or raqqa. one's doing real fighting in and thentries are kurds kurds in iraq are very pro syria,n but the kurds in the turks regard as terrorists. and the turks are having isis.ms also with there simply is, if you talk therethe good guy forces, is simply not enough ground forces right now to annihilate in iraq and syria and that problem's going to exist when leaves office. john: eleanor? eleanor: iraq is struggling within itself because the is collapsing and you divide

of course iraq is a shia majority state. so, yeah, i see a lot of iranian influence. >> so what, from your perspective, should the united states be saying? doing? building a coalition of other countries that have a stake in long-term iraqi stability in order to make sure that this shia perspective, this rad cat shia perspective does not poison any ability to bring the sunnis and kurds long term back to the table toufr a united country. >> i don't know of anything we can do other than to continue to work with the iraqi government. president obama is incrementally increases the presence of u.s. forces there. tom probably knows the extent and degree of that better than i do, but i think that's probably called for now. i hate to see it. i hate to see us going back in there. we're not going back in full boar. >> in pa lacki had allowed for 10,000 troops to stay in iraq, how due think -- >> i think that would have made a big difference. i think it would have made a difference in -- it wouldn't have made a dimples whether the malak

they are promoting a shia-led iraq. they are not the friends of the kurds or the sunnis. i think they are a divisive force in this and they will continue to be divisive. charlie: and -- has never left the scene. nicholas: he is the one who, as a shia leader, could not get along with the kurdish and sunni leadership. he is still technically the vice president. he says he does not want to come back to power. a lot of people don't believe him. a shiite cleric has been leading street protests against him. the kurds have been talking about, if not full-fledged economy, independence. you have a country that is breaking apart at the seams. it is not in interest, i think, of the united states to promote a partition of iraq into two or three states. if we did that, it would be a major roll of the dice. what would be the impact on the syrians? what would be the impact on lebanon? these countries were put together a century ago by the british and french with the collapse of the ottoman empire. some of these borders are indeed artificial. but if you begin to partition these countries

have you seen evidence that the shia dominated government is bringing that sunni involvement in some. >> i pressed the government very hard. i met with sun any tni hribal l when i was in iraq recently and their request is they want to take theakerer to back, but the don't want to fall into the hands of militia. and i think baghdad should listen to them because that is the best way forward in pushing isis out. >> so the question is will they as always. we had news yesterday and thousand con fi confirmation today from bad today that mullah mansour was killed. so another success feful drone strike. how significant of a blow do you think this is to the taliban leadership? >> i think this is an important development because mullah mansour killed thousands and thousands of people and is leading an insurrection that frankly we have had a problem in the u.s. not using our air power to target taliban up until now. we will target or the administration will allow the targeting of isis, but in terms of getting approval to go in and hit units of the taliban that this has been difficult to get the

they'll be pawns in the iraqi struggle as well as the shia militias.will be one of the worst scenes we can possibly imagine. >> reporter: it's significant the iraqis are staying to fight in fallujah, not running away as the battle intensifies. >> we think that the state of play is much improved from a year ago. a year ago, here in iraq, the barbarians were at the gate. baghdad was actually threatened and in theory, was in direct danger of being invaded by these animals that we call isil. now we've driven them back. >> reporter: from the top u.s. commander, continuing caution. >> i am being very pragmatic in this. i think we will continue to work through more obstacles, continue to see setbacks but i think we'll also see some continued progress. >> reporter: but make no mistake, isis right now fighting bitterly to hold on to every scrap of territory it has. around fallujah, there is another complication, iranian-backed shia militias very much in the fight to counter isis but they are shia, fallujah, a sunni city, some concern eventually a new round of s

it's the sectarian to divide the sunni and the shia. at the same time, preparing for an attack in syria and mosul. isis is attempting to spread this out a little bit. let's pull the security forces back towards baghdad to continue operation in mosul. it's a very smart move on isis' part. >> in addition to air power, to where they've controlled for nearly two years. in addition, the u.s. air power, what other role will the u.s. play? because there are some 5,000 u.s. ground troops in iraq right now. >> it's got to be intelligence, wolf, and some resupply logistics. that's what is driving the operation. there was also massive tunnels found in and around moe zul sus. where the isis forces, that's critically important to the iraqi military. >> you think the iraqi military this year is going to be able to liberate mosul? because that was their publicly stated objective. >> it's very ambitious, wolf. i don't believe it's going to happen this year. they may continue to try and tighten that noose around mosul, but in order to clear and secure t

all three targets were shia. a neighborhood with a key shia shri shrine.trying to stoke that shia/sunni violence we saw explode with horrible circumstances, really, a civil war about ten years ago. so these kinds of attacks have a real potential to create something even worse than what we're seeing. >> the pentagon announced more u.s. marines sent to protect american diplomats at the u.s. embassy in the secure green zone, not necessarily that secure. >> you can call baghdad to some degree one of the front lines of this conflict when you have people dieing in those countries. >> the situation unfolding. thank you. >>> still ahead, remarkable scenes from inside war-ravaged syria right now. cnn is live in the capital of damascus. we're going there when we come back. you pay your car insurance premium like clockwork. month after month. year after year. then one night, you hydroplane into a ditch. yeah... surprise... your insurance company tells you to pay up again. why pay for insurance if you have to pay even more for using it? if you have liberty mutual dedu

it's the one that serves the shia interpretation of extremism. so these are all things we should remember. it's not the connection between individuals that matter. intelligence community is always looking, before the san bernardino, irrelevant. do they share the same ideology is the most important thing. so if that individual chairs the ideology of jihad whether it's major nadal's, that means they're members of the same movement and that i think is the best label for mobile jihad movement. in the middle right there. >> have you reflected on -- [inaudible] >> sufi -ism is often thought of as the antidumping all we need is more of that. as you said you haven't read a history book. the whirling dervish's animistic version of islam seems very intuitively attractive as a nonkinetic. some of the nastiest, most violent muslim sects in history of the religion were linked to sufi -ism. i'm not looking for the one antidote i'm looking for attitudes to revelation and recent entry that also the most important question, what is the definition of where dignity

is aurse, iraq shia-majority state, of course, so yeah, i have seen a lot of iranian influence. mr. markey: so what, from your perspective, should the united states be saying, doing, in terms of long-term iraqi stability in order to make sure that this shia perspective, this radical shia perspective, does to bringn any ability the sunnis and kurds long-term back to the table to have a united country? mr. baker: i don't know anything we can do other than continue to work with the iraqi government. president obama is incrementally increasing the presence of u.s. forces there. tom probably knows the extent, the degree to that, better than i do, but i think that is probably called for now. i hate to see it. i hate to see us going back in there. we are not going back fullbore. allowedey: if we were to have 10,000 troops to stay in iraq, how do you think that would have affected this? mr. baker: i think that would have made a big difference, i really do. i think it would have made a difference -- it wouldn't have made a difference in whether or not the government did what they should have

inter-shia and sunni-shia one. the brings to the fore complexity of iraq.d iranians, da of kurdish problem in one country. manus: sometimes, that detailed prism is sometimes lost in the last. -- west. the other dynamic is oil. notoil industry is affected. if anything, iraq is exploding in terms of production. the risk factor is not higher? >> oil is in the south of the country. back to my earlier point. the oil industry is doing well. that is what is lifting iraq. down, you willck reveal the weakness of the non-oil industry, which has had three years of contraction. this underscores the urgency of imf talks. manus: a final note from you, ghanem, which is production. is continuity key? >> absolutely. not easy to maintain, though. you, bothdrew, thank of you. cornerstone global associates. rish? rishaad: let's check on the stories making headlines around the world. china sees signs of improvement in its relations with japan, but there is still a lack of mutual trust. after themmented premier met fujio kushida. ties have been strained by territorial disputes a

there are complicated trust issues, to the extent that the shia militian taking back out of thell be city proper. if they are not able to enter the city that could make it more difficult. there are concerns with teh civilian population. armyhvae been asked by the and tribes to wave the white flag but that would allow them to be identified with the i.s. group. their best ploy is to lie low whichh this battle, fierce. extremely laura: greek police have started evacuating a refugee camps. migrants are moved toe better organized facilities. macedonia and other countries closed borders. reporter: the operation began at dawn with vehicles standing by. many say they are reluctant to leave. three months nhere ago. next step, i'm go to serbia. migrants arey westerne to get to europe. they fear moving to another camp will take tehm -- them further away. germany.stination is to the maps.rding o authorities stopped us. migrants mostly from syria, iraq, and afghanistan stranded in northern greece in squalid conditions. they'duthorities said be moved to new camps. the operations is expected to tak

we are looking at the greatest chasm between the sunni and shia sides of opec.is much greater than it was in the wars in the mid-1980's. there is no way saudi arabia can market sharee with iranian barrels coming on the market. deal in theer see a foreseeable future between these two. they will continue to jockey for position. the concern here, where are they jockeying for position? in asia. japan continues to roll in and out of recession. now, you have two major producers that will continue to put oil in the market that is not capable of drinking all those barrels. this has as much to do with theology and geopolitics as it does with economics. how much will the rising dollar play into all of this? david: the rising dollar is a huge factor. stephen: what of the biggest drivers in the crash in oil prices in the last year. we saw a major crash in every single industrial commodity out there. the rising dollar was certainly a catalyst for that weakness. chinesehy are the continuing to devalue? they are concerned about the rising dollar. i rising dollar will certainly

>> it is about the shia majority, it is about what iran wants.aven't asked more us help, if they don't want new us appearance, it is about shia domination. and a lot of sloppy artillery and the way iraqis do it, to destroy the city in order to save as they did with ramani, the iranians, shia militia, really interesting in creating a wasteland, buffer zone to protect the shia heartland and we are utterly naÏve about what is happening there. martha: in terms of ash carter and as you addressed saying as you say you think iran wants to level the area, they are not concerned with what is left in that city. in your understanding are we helping at all? what is our involvement in this offense? >> we had some airstrikes. beyond that, i don't know. i don't know any us advisors around this operation but a lot of things dealing with the public and rightfully so but the greater problem for us is we lost focus. we want isis defeated everywhere and anywhere, we don't have a strategic vision for the future of this broken, destroyed country that used to be called

this very time that al-baghdadi is building his organization in syria, the baghdad government, the shia government and al-malaki starts virtually assaulting the sunni homeland. >> in the years since the american troops had left, iraq's prime minister, a shia, had initiated a crackdown on the sunni population. >> the sunni-arab tribes in iraq had become disillusioned with the shia-dominated government in baghdad, so there was widespread disaffection among the tribes. they began to engage in a series of protests against the regime. >> these protests were violently crushed, and in such an environment that enabled islamic state of iraq to rise up out of the ashes and say, we will protect sunnis from malaki. >> it was the moment al-baghdadi had been waiting for. >> where had the sunnies to go? there's only one place they can go? it is that residual of the insurgency that is now run by al-baghdadi. >> in early 2014, al-baghdadi's forces began the campaign the take iraq. >> the iraqi army, which was built at the incredible expense, i don't even know what the final price tag was, $30 billion, l

this is just one of many examples of atrocities committed by iranian-backed shia militias. these killings only further raise tensions and drive more recruits to extremist groups. in syria, iran has joininged russia in providing the that i had has kept the assad regime in power, despite hundreds of thousands willing to fight against assad and despite the coordinated effort of many countries. although iran's government denies the presence of its military forces in syria, it is clear that in addition to financial support and weapons, iran has sent thousands of its own troops to reinforce the murderous regime of assad. one estimate puts the number of syrian forces -- of iranian forces in syria at 3,000, including 2,000 of the a leet qud -- elite quds force, the hard-line group dedicated to the iraqisary government. iran in fact recently doubled down on its support for assad by sending soldiers from the regular army, from the regular iranian army to join the troops on the ground in syria and there's rumors they are even mobilizing and deploying afghans and other from the region

occupation of iraq and later against the shia government that were put in place after the removal ofdam. >> yang: thousands have been displaced by the years of fighting, and some have been living in camps for two years. they say conditions in the city are desperate. >> ( translated ): those who are inside cannot leave and those who are outside cannot help them. i mean, there is no food at all. a sack of flour costs more than $800. and you can't even get it. now my relatives who are still there have paid 683 u.s. dollars for 20 kilograms of rice and 44 pounds of flour. >> yang: there have been calls for the government to open a safe corridor for the injured, elderly and children to leave. meanwhile, as islamic state forces are pressed in fallujah, they are striking back in baghdad. mangled wreckage was all that was left of a suicide bomber's car that detonated near a commercial area today, killing eight civilians and three soldiers. >> ( translated ): by launching such attacks, the militants aimed to thwart our determination and resolution to go forward with our victories in fallujah

>> he left a methodology and a legacy of the civil war and shia killing the sunni.lled it together in what we identify and others tell us the jihadi university at the a bu grab and the eventual leader of isis mr. baghdadi were interned and got the lessons of how to practice what zarka wi preached. you notice everything that isis does is the result of method and approach, even though we kill would him in the military, you can't kill an ideal. and this is gone to syria and back in 2014 into northern iraq. >> plenty of fingers are pointed in the obama administration for reducing the troops in the iraqi theater. but you say the bush administration shares the blame? >> i think it is two presidencies, but the obama administration when they pulled out in 2011, they let the chips fall where they may and they did fall with the shia government coming in the north and the banging hard on the sunni. and by then, what was once as general petraeus told us was reduced to 37 members of za rkowis goes to syria and builds themselves up and grabbed raqqan and creates a state, a caliph

it had a minority of sunnis and a majority of shias so in each case, the american president said, let's get rid of the top guy and we will have stability. but getting rid of the top guy produces a conflict among the various minority groups who are then fighting for preeminence, and so we have to learn that when we get into nation-building, it's such a war we have to engage in nation-building, and so i think we did not understand the complexities of nation-building as a general proposition in several administrations. that's how i would assess the war in iraq. we got into something deeper than we assessed at the beginning. >> dr. kissinger has graciously consented to take a few questions from the audience, and i will ask him another question. as you wish to ask questions, queue up behind the microphones on either side of the aisle itch ask, please, that you ensure that your question is in fact that, a question and not a statement, and that you be as brief as possible in asking that question. dr. kissinger, it's impossible to ignore the election as it plays out. you said in a 2014 intervie