chief shields: sure. host: and covid came along and they were trying to clear the jails so that people did not die in jail. do you think the courts have lost their sense of balance? a lot of them have not gotten back up to 100% speed. they have gigantic backlogs and excuses out the planter, as you might say. chief shields: [laughter] host: so, why do you think the courts have not? you are right, a lot of chiefs have criticized the courts for being slow to respond. i don't particularly understand why repeat offenders are getting released. so where is the disconnect here , in terms of the courts getting , back to where they were, or is it that they are responding to criminal justice reform by letting too many people out? chief shields: what i will say is this. yes, there was mass over incarceration in the 1980's and 1990's, all day long. and i am not going to defend it. at the time it was convenient to put people in jail, in prison, for substance abuse issues, issues we now treat in the manner they should b

so the max, it's not just an issue, and we're focusing on coffee shield. so obvious reasons, since that's the one that's been, i think, the most highly distributed by the kofax game. but that's also the question of the russian vaccines and chinese vaccines, right? they are not on the list. what does that mean for the world? and the idea of getting the world back to where it was before cove. it does this mean the idea of travel bubbles? the idea of travel corridors, trade, car doors are going to be here for the foreseeable future. this is not something that's going to end anytime soon with, with vaccines getting out. i think there's 2 things. i mean, i would distinguish between whether or more than one chinese vaccine and then the, the russian one. the chinese vaccine signed it back. and saw the form have both been approved by the w h o for use. now i'm rushing vaccine as i understand it has no. so if we're looking to the world health organization and the stringent assessment of the vaccine, then that should be the bottom line. that's the bottom line for ca

the nice land approved kong shields. the answer, the proper and effective, unsafe roxanne, therefore in unit time in which in a moment in which there should be unique way to face the, the make emergency. apparently there is large page space for each country or each or different countries to be a in a different way, which is not something helpful to properly manage the emergency and properly manage the huge field covering the largest 5 possible parts of human beings with the vaccine john, i want to come back to you on a point you mentioned about the hom, this could do a konami clay as well. what will it mean for the developing world of a kind of new seen? i don't sound overdramatic, but iron curtain kind of thing is being drawn down around certain regions. what does that mean for those regions? economically? i think it means economic diversification for. ready the region, betty also means that we agreed to be in this pandemic for, for a long haul. and not just the re, jones that facing that restriction. but globally, thin

whoever had shields stay in the front. the people behind the shields were striking those rioters. at some point i fell on top of the floor -- on the floor on top of some shields trying to assist some of the officers and i got pulled into the crowd. luckily i was able to free myself and stand up. later on the second time i went back to the front that's when i -- officer hodges was getting trampled. i was getting trampledtrampled. just the mere force of the rioters pushing forward we were getting trampled. it was awful what happened to us. >> officer fanone, before i ask a question, i would like to show a brief video clip of what you went through. i realize it's difficult to watch. i think it's important for the public to see. >> almost all of that was from your body camera footage. can you walk us through what we've just seen, officer fanone? >> i believe the first portion of that video was my body cam footage from the crypt area of the rotunda. it was there i heard the 1033 distress call come out from the lower west terrace tunnel. i didn't realize at the time it was only a few hu

my shield was round. i was able to get some strikes but because we were so close quarters, it was hard for us to even do that. the only thing we were allowed to do was push forward. whoever had shields stayed in front, and people behind those with shields, they were striking the rioters. at some point i fell on top of the floor on top of some shields trying to help and assist some of the officers. i got pulled into the crowd. luckily i was able to free myself and stand up. later on, the second time i went back up to the front, that's when officer hodges was getting trampled -- i was getting trampled because just the mere force of rioters pushing forward and the police officers pushing out, we were getting trampled in the middle. it was very terrible what happened to us. >> officer, before i ask you a question, i would like to show a brief video clip of some of what you went through today. i know it could be difficult to watch but i think it's important for the public to see. [ inaudible ] >> push! push! >

and face to face contact was next to none. shielding is currently paused in the u. k, but with all social distancing set to be scrapped, millions may have no choice but to go back behind closed doors. it's very frightening man, and i may not survive if chuckled with lawyers. i expect i will probably go back and see ice lation and more shielding as i was before to protect myself. i think the form of a community have been totally ignored. rarely, in the whole of this, the original plan of shielding. it should only have ever been a temporary masha whilst they put safe mitigations in place and brought the case numbers down. because the government refused to do that. it does no change for us in 16 months, nothing has changed to make the world safer place since the start of the pandemic around $6.10 corona virus deaths in england have been among disabled people and well, the government vaccination program rollout was seen as light at the end of the tunnel, only half the country is fully jobs, meaning the other half of the country is still unprotected. not only that, but m

the shield restricts them in any way. if people don't do that, there's a lot of families structured. new guidance. the shield, as is expected to come from the department of health, yet news of this announcement is guess every time a lockdown has ended or restrictions have been eased, many shield is have been forced to make their own decisions. and they accuse the government of the guessing about them. labor has called for a u turn on freedom day and more guidance for those most vulnerable. we want to put in a controlled way and keep in line baseline. antique town infections, like mandatory placement from apartment 5, the mob all public transport. how we know that that will protect people, reduce the speed of the virus and the spread the virus on it. one home, the economy, common sense. we all want restrictions listed. we won our economy output, we won't get back to the, but we had too many times before, isn't it the case? but once again, instead of a capital control approach, we're heading for a sum of payoff and confusio

whoever had shields stay in the front and whoever was behind the people with the shield, and they were striking those rioters. at some point, i fell on top of the floor on top of some shields trying to help and assist some of the officers. i got pulled through the crowd. luckily i was able to free myself and stand up. later on, the second time i went back to the front, that's when officer hodges was getting trampled. i was getting trampled because just the mere force of the rioters pushing forward and police officer pushing out were getting trampled in the middle. it was very terrible things that happened to us there. >> officer fanone, before i ask you a question i'd like to show a brief video clip of some of what you we want through. i realize this can be difficult to watch, but i think it's important for the public to see. >> push them back! [indiscernible] >> call an ambulance. >> mike, stay in there buddy. mike, it's jimmy. i'm here. >> almost all of that was from your body camera footage. can you walk us through what we've just seen, officer fanone? >> i believe the first portion

many of the officers fighting alongside me were calling for shields, because their shields had been stripped from them by the rioters. i was one of the few officers left with a shield, so i spent the majority of my time at the front of the line. i later found out that my wife and relatives here in the u.s. and abroad were frantically calling and texting me from 2:00 p.m. onward, because they were watching the turmoil on television. it was now 4:26 p.m. after giving cpr to a rioter that breached the capitol to save her life i finally had a chance to let my own family know that i was alive. after order has finally has been restored at the capitol and many hours i was home at 4:00 a.m. on january 7. i had to push my wife away from me because she wanted to hug me and i told her, no, because of all the chemicals that my uniform had on. sorry. i couldn't sleep because the chemical reactivated after i took a shower and my skin was burning. i finally fell asleep two hours later, completely physically and mentally exhausted, yet by 8:00 a.m., i was already back, on my way back to the capitol. and i c

whoever has shields stay in the front. whoever was behind the people with the shield they were striking those rioters. at some point i fell on top of the floor on the floor on top of some shields trying to help and assist some of the officers. and i got pulled to the crowd. luckily i was able to free myself and stand up. later on, the second time i went back to the front is when i -- officer hodges was getting trampled. i was getting trampled because the mere force of the rioters pushing forward and police officers pushing out, we were getting trampled in the middle. it was very terrible things that happened to us. >> officer, before i ask you a question, i would like to show a brief video clip of some of what you went through today. i realize it can be difficult to watch but i think it is important for the public to see. [shouting] >> push them back, come on! [shouting] [shouting] >> stay in there, buddy. it's jimmie, i'm here. mike. >> almost all of that was from your body camera footage and can you walk us through what

i will probably go back and see i lation and more shielding. as i was before to protect myself, i think deformable community have been totally ignored. rarely, in the whole of this, the original plan of shielding. it should only ever be in a temporary mattea whilst they put safe mitigations in place and brought the case numbers down. because the government refused to do that. you know, that does no change for us in 16 months, nothing has changed to make the world safer. place since the start of the pandemic around 6 and 10 corona virus deaths in england have been among disabled people. and well, the government vaccination program rollout was seen as light at the end of the tunnel . only half the country is for the jobs, meaning the other half of the country is still unprotected. not only that, but many people with particular health conditions don't respond well to the job, putting them at even more risk. so ditching mandatory most wearing and social distances for people like nora is life changing to me. the 2 main things which appears to be bei

many of the officers fighting alongside me were calling for shields because their shields had been stripped from them by the rioters. i was one of the few officers left with a shield so i spent the majority of my time at the front of the line. i later find out that my wife and relatives were here in the u.s. and abroad were franticly calling and texting me from 2:00 p.m. onward because they were watching the turmoil on television. it was not until 4:26 p.m. after giving cpr to one of the rioters who breached the capitol in an effort to save her life that i finally had a chance to let my own family know that i was alive. after order had finally -- had been restored at the capitol and many hours i arrived at home at nearly 4:00 a.m. on january 7th. i had to push my wife away from me because she wanted to hug me and i told her, no, because of all the chemical that my uniform had on. i'm sorry. i couldn't sleep because the chemical reactivated after i took a shower and my skin was burning. i finally fell asleep two hours later, completely physically and mentally exhausted, yet by 8:00 a.m. i wa

you advocate for a shield law. mention one that's drafted but you said it needs to have the definition of journalist modified. as i skim through it looks like you think there needs to be a broader definition of journalist. isn't there -- this goes to some of what mr. gaetz was saying and mr. mcclintock responded to about setting up special privileges for an elite class. if journalists are partisan instruments of politicians or the reverse, that is to say they direct politicians in effect, can we establish special privileges for them to be able to take information and disseminate it that is by law confidential, doesn't that grant the power to not null fie law. if you take the information, the disclosure of thousands of wealthy taxpayers, which they've selectively published. they said they thought about it, know this information is unlawful to publish but decided their advocacy interests trump the law. how do we deal with that problem? >> well, this isn't an absolute right. the media is subject to defamation, to bein

whoever had shields stay in the front and whoever was behind the people with the shield, and they weretriking those rioters. at some point, i fell on top of the floor on top of some shields trying to help and assist some of the officers. i got pulled through the crowd. luckily i was able to free myself and stand up. later on, the second time i went back to the front, that's when officer hodges was getting trampled. i was getting trampled because just the mere force of the rioters pushing forward and police officer pushing out were getting trampled in the middle. it was very terrible things that happened to us there. >> officer fanone, before i ask you a question i'd like to show a brief video clip of some of what you we want through. i realize this can be difficult to watch, but i think it's important for the public to see. >> push them back! [indiscernible] >> call an ambulance. >> mike, stay in there buddy. mike, it's jimmy. i'm here. >> almost all of that was from your body camera footage. can you walk us through what we've just seen, officer fanone? >> i believe the first portion o

many of the officers fighting alongside me were calling for shield, there shield being stripped from rioters. i was one of the few officers left with the shield so i spent the majority of my time at the front of the line. i later found out my wife and relatives. -- here the u.s. frantically calling and texting me 2:00 p.m. and on they were watching. 4:26 p.m. after giving cpr to one of the rioters who breached the capitol in an effort to save her life, i finally had a chance to let my own family know that i was alive. after order had finally been restored at the capitol i arrived at home nearly 4:00 a.m. january 7. i had to push my wife away from me because she wanted to hug me and i told her no because of the chemicals my uniform had on. sorry. i couldn't sleep because i had to take a shower and my skin was burning. i finally fell asleep but to hours later, completely, physically and mentally exhausted yet by 8:00 a.m. i was already back, on my way back to the capitol. i continued to work for 15 consecutive days. i made sure to work despite my interest because i wanted to continue d

instead of emergency stop, sometimes there is a plexiglas shield. we worked at sam adams brewery, they lifted their shield and shut it down. we don't have any audio devices, but you can hook up bells, whistles, anybody in the plant would know. if you are in the control room, that is fine. if somebody else hits it, you want to know why. that is what the devices are for. pres. biden: how long does an apprentice work in this room, on these systems? >> typically, we do two nights a week. classes about two hours each. most plc's is running on about 20 hours of instruction. half of it would be classroom, the other half would be hands-on training. >> motor control apparatus. pres. biden: hey courtney, how are you doing? good to see you. what are we doing here? >> we have a control set up. inside this instructional lab classroom, apprentices get to sit down every day in front of this equipment and wire up stuff to go from the very simple control wiring diagrams, to the more complex, industrial stuff. they get to actually touch, feel, and hold all of this so

and pennsylvania does have a good shield law. pretty positiv have thatt experience and new york where i live has a very, very strong also and absolute privilege foror the confidentia sources and the confidential material and i absolutely think that both of those could be models for a federal shield law. i do think because you have great experiment across all of the states that one of the places wheren the state statues have not kept up is on the definition of journalist, and so itit does depend upon which sta you are looking at and a lot of them, and least some of them are tied to the fact that you have to get the privileges of the statute, you have to work for the newspaperer or the magaziner the digital magazine, and if you are an independent journalist who is running a independent newsletter, and work for professional journalists, but they are not making any money, and the definition of how-u is within this bag, and you would have to look at that, and then having that on qualified privileges, and that is what you have to do fo

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where do you draw the line about who would be covered by such a red shield?l open it up to the witnesses to answer that question. i know you put some of that in your prepared testimony >> my objection to the current legislation is that it follows a rather dated definition of journalism. it specifies that as part of your livelihood notes you should have a supervisor editor that is overseeing your work. the media has changed dramatically and today, many bloggers perform many of the same functions as reporters. many reporters are looking more like bloggers. there engaged to the degree that they did so you see emerging and you have what are called net new users who today the polls show people now mix the sources of their media. internet and traditional sources. more people get their news from social media today the newspapers. so we have to as we talk about technology changing we also have to update our view of what a journalism is . this is not an easy task. i'm not contending this doesn't have problems. you can't make everyone a journalist because if that's the

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please chief shields was previously the chief in atlanta. they give for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> i have no easy questions for you and we will art with crime being up in louisville but crime was up in atlanta where you worked for 25 years. crime is up in virtually every big city. shootings that handle sides are up. -- homicides are up. they rose in louisville last year and they are on the rise now. the total last year was 170. why is this happening? we used to see these stats going down year over year. what started to change in 202021 -- 2020 and continued into 2021? >> you're asking the right question, because what is different? when i look at louisville, it's similar to atlanta and georgia and that is in the southern states where you have very lax gun laws, it doesn't lend itself to a high proliferation of illegal weapons on the street. you lay on top of that there is a post-covid component to it. individuals who are marginalized are for the set on the sides we talk about young people. when you have young people without ag

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>> interlock the shields! shields! >> now! [ screaming ] >> no! [ screaming ] >> no! no! [ screaming ] >> heave! ho! heave! ho! [ screaming ] ow! >> let him out! [ screaming ] >> officer hodges, i know that must have been difficult to watch, but i really think it's important for the american people to see that because that's the beginning of the kind of accountability that this committee is committed to in order for us to do what you said moving forward as a country. you know, january 6th was an attack on our democracy, it was an attack on the peaceful transfer of power and it was an attack on this capitol building, but it was also an attack on real people, and most people don't know this, and i don't think even you know this, but your actions had a profound impact on me. so at 3:00 p.m. on january 6th while you were holding back the mob at the lower west terrace entrance i was holed up with congresswoman kathleen rice in a small office about 40 paces from the tunnel that you all were in. that's about from the distance where i'm sitting here on the deus to that back wall.

you, the shields. hold the shields. >> go >> back up. no. stop. stop. stop.ant, in that video one of the first things you hear is someone saying you're going to die tonight. you described in your opening statement being crushed by rioters. thinking this is how you thought your life was going to end, trampled to death while defending the capitol. it's difficult for any of us to understand what you went through even though we were there. it's harder for people around the country to understand what that was like. can you tell us what you were thinking when you were losing oxygen and thought that might be the end? >> my rushing out there, the way i was thinking was we can't let these people in no matter what. even if it costs my life. the bloody hand you saw, that's me in there. both my hands were pleading bad, and at no point in time did i stop to consider stop, because the attacks were so relentless that all we had to do was -- i was thinking i need to survive this, if possible, but i'm willing to sacrifice myself to prevent this, the attack, attackers from com

chief shields was previously the police chief in atlanta. thank you for joining us, she. >> thanks for having me. i appreciateth it. >> gladly. i have no use question for you as you would expect and will start off with the crime up in louisville but the toll it unique. crime is up in atlanta where your present work for 25 years. crime is up to washington. crime is up in virtually every big city. soon, homicides up. recently he noted homicides rose 92% in louisville last year and there on the right now. i think you think you had 104 so far this year. the total astros 170. why is this happening next after so many years of declines we used to see these stats steadily going down year after year. what started the change in 2020 which is continued t into 2021? >> i appreciate that and i think you're asking the right question, that is what is different? we've got to find a solution, figure out where is the aberration. when ien look at the label, it'a two what i see in atlanta and georgia and that his first off in the southern states were you very l

i, you, regulators have explained that koby shield is not on its list as astrazeneca has not provided enough data about the manufacturing process in india. however, even those who have had an m a approved shot can face difficulties once in france, where they still need a help pass to access certain public places. these include restaurants and shopping centers, as well as long distance bus and train to get the pass. you need to be vaccinated and either have a negative p c r test or have recovered from covered recently. this system has led to st. protests in the country. and anti hill again says it adds an extra layer of complications that might just make a trip to france. too costly for sub seems to be some confusion around what the telephone and also the certificate size and such as the actual name that expand cold in the bus. just about them, but they don't match the name in the batch number doesn't match what people are saying. so they saying commercials accepted bucks and there is some b as much co shield and that's what it said on the certificate. this confusion and complication b