it is shiia orthodoxy to use religion as an instrument for state. at the beginning of the revolution the divisiveness was among the different ranks of clerics on the highest levels. one of your listeners alluded to a leader from the beginning of the revolution who was more highly ranked than ayatollah khamenei who came out against creating an islamic state. he said it would be the end of islam. he was harassed. his followers were arrested. this is interesting. everyone thinks that iran is monolithic. this is not true. part of the fight is to save religion from the state, in fact. host: let me make san this piece from "the new york times." it says one of the mysteries behind this week's demonstrations is who was cordoning them. some suspect of the hidden hand of the par for the position of the former president is. his daughter, a former member of parliament, was spotted at a march. what are your thoughts on that? guest: yes, he has openly voiced his discontent and this agreement with mr. ayatollah khamenei on some points. but there have been influent