it settled down pretty much in shiloh. and won't get into all the details. grant basically got fired and rehired. he perceived it as his mission to take vicksburg. how is he going to do it? he decided, he decided to go through the center of mississippi, the railroad tracks which happened to end in mobile, alabama. they ran through the center of the state. he could supply is army behind him with food and clothing, he was foiled in this, really, by a sabotage of a wretched political general who was appointed by abraham lincoln his name, in my first alzheimer's fit of the night, i forget. i will remember in a minute. i want to say mccullough, something that started with an m. whoever it was, he goes to lincoln and says mr. president, i want your job next collection, and i am going to raise an army from the midwest. you got it, fine, smart man, he is reading my book. he was a senator, lousy political generals most of them got themselves appointed. they weren't trained military people. i see and matt out there who is a trained engineer, are you an engineer? he is

to a place called shiloh.now, at that point in the war, nobody had seen anything like the slaughter that went on in shiloh. i think bull run, the first big battle, there were 1700 men killed and maybe tripled that wounded. shiloh was like 8, 9,000 killed and triple that killed and wounded and everybody was horrified. i mean, when it got out in the press that what this war was really about was not some kind of lark that they thought when they went out there to bull run, then people came in their carriages and brought their picnic lunches to watch the yankees whip the rebels. but it was dead serious big time. well, grant -- he got the blame for that because he got surprised there at shiloh. it was his fault, probably. he didn't expect a confederate to come out but you're talking at this point some big armies coming back, 50,000 man armies, 60,000 men and that's a lot of people and when they see these cuts they could reload these muskets two or three times a minute. that's a lot of lead whizzing through the air.

to a place called shiloh. at that point in the war nobody has seen anything like this slaughter that went on at shiloh. i think the bull run, the first big battle, there were 1700 men killed and maybe wounded, shiloh eight or 9,000 killed in crippled and everybody who was horrified when they got out in the press that of this war was really about was not some kind of a lark than they thought when they went out there to bull run and people came in their carriages to washington and other pigment lunches to washington, the thank you rep to the rebels and then wound up with a bunch of people and then it. this was dead serious big time. grants, of course, of the blame for this because he had gone surprised there at shiloh period it was his fault probably appears to to not it expect the confederacy, but at this point there are big armies, 50,000 man armies, 6,000 men, that's a lot of people. and when they see these guns taken in reload these muscats two or three times a minute that is a lot of lead that was into the

host: adam watching us in shiloh, and illinois. we have about four more minutes.ur next guest after that will be kevin puvalowski, deputy special and that the general response with oversight of the tarp program. there has been testimony this week about the state of tarp funds used and transparency beard we will be talking to him about that at 8:30 a.m. eastern time. wilmington, north carolina. sherry on the independent mind. what are your thoughts? caller: i am appalled over what has happened to our good professor. it is wrong, totally wrong. but i would like to say, this is not a racist thing. this is a way that our officers are. it doesn't matter if you are black or white, they have an attitude. i am king, what i say goes. there was a gentleman on previously that said he was trying to teach his children to respect the law. it is commendable, just not realistic. the thing to teach your children is, answer their questions but don't give too much information. go on down and call your lawyer because our officers are trained that everybody is wrong and they are bad a