blood. >> that was judith dubben of the israeli based group vocative, and here's my interview with shimon peresagain, you'll hear my skepticism on this peace proposal. >> mr. peres, these headlines coming from gaza are horrific. what is your hope for an end to this? >> in my judgment today two camps and arming the palestinian people. a camp that wants to start peace, which is made by the palestinial authority and headed by abbas, and i believe is a serious leader and a responsible partner to talk with. on the other hand, there is a group of terrorists in gaza, the most important among them is hamas, they want policy to have a protest. they don't want to compromise. they want to kill. we don't have a choice but to fight against them determinedly. in two ways, by the way. one, if they shoot, we shoot back. on the other hand, we're also thinking how to restore the situation in gaza itself, which is today one of the poorest places in the world. we cannot do it by fighting and building. we have to bring an end to the fighting and then we shall begin to build. >> how do you get hamas to either capitu

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. >> this morning, msnbc's chris matthews spoke to former israeli president shimon peres just one week after peres left office. he discussed how to end the angoing bloodshed in gaza but said hamas is not a partner. peres made clear as along as hamas attacks, israel will defend itself. >> we don't want to kill anybody. doesn't bring knus any joy to s somebody suffering or to see children dying. but they do it and they have to stop it. that is the military side. on the other hand, the hamas political side which is not only in the hands of israel. we have to declare there is a sovereign over gaza, and it is not hamas because hamas is a killer, not a partner. >> and you can see much more of chris matthews' interview with shimon peres tonight on "hardball" at 7:00 eastern. completely unbelievabowl... totally delectabowl. real silky smooth or creamy broths. everything she's been waiting for. carefully crafted with real seafood, real veggies, and never any by-products or fillers. wow! being a cat just got more enjoyabowl. fancy feast broths. wow served daily. (yawn) (ding!) toaster strudel! m

our middle east correspondent has been talking to the former israeli prime minister shimon peres. >>as, they are against negotiations. they are against talking. they are against peace. they are for terror. we have nothing against the people. but none of us, neither the palestinians nor us, can live with terror. look, we left gaza willingly, unilaterally. we took out the 22 settlements we had there. the 8,000 settlers. by force. we handed over to the palestinians a free, open gaza. we don't understand, frankly, why all the fighting? what are they shooting? for other reasons? we left. they want to be free. they are free. >> there are people, critics of the present government, who say that the voices are being drowned out and they're not being heard. and israel is in danger of losing its democratic tradition. is that a fair comment? >> i was for the unilateral withdrawal from gaza. actually supported that was the least expected to do so. made a very tough decision. and i did it, i thought, my god, we're going to relieve -- we have the best without any conditions. didn't ask anything in

let me just remind your viewers what shimon peres, the now retired president of israel and noble lawyreate once said. he wished that the sea would swallow all of the people of gaza. mr. shamir, his prime minister has said our main task is to break the back of the resistance. so any resistance to israel being justified or otherwise is not on the card. they have monopolized the narrative for the last 50 years. i am glad that people around the world, okay, the people of gaza pay a heavy price, but there is a silver lining. the silver lining is that the entire world is now aware. >> is that the price? is that the price? is that price a price gazans are willing to pay? you describe it as a silver lining. we are talking about over 1900 palestinians killed in gaza. >> yes. >> for the sake of hamas. >> no. it's not for the sake of hamas. >> that's wrong. it's the sake for the sake of defending their livelihood and their existence. there is a policy in israel to wipe them out. the kinnesit last week published a paper that is sent to netanyahu in which he advocates that all of the civilians in

. >> born betty joan, the daughter of jewish immigrants and first cuss town israel shimon peres, as anager became a modem. it was this picture that caught the eye of director, howard hawks. he changed her name to lauren, and her career took off. her film debut made her one of hollywood's leading ladies. also met her future husband, bacal was 19 when she met bogrtt. >> what will your first step be? >> the usual one. >> i didn't know there was an usual one. >> they starred together again in the big sweep and later in key largo. >> oh, there you are. >> while the couple continued making movies, they also started a family, having two kids. but in 1957, bogart died every cancer. bacal said she never got over the loss. she was briefly engage today frank sinatra, later married jason rowbarred. kept her career alive, got tony awards for her broadway performances in applause and woman of the year. and got an academy award nomination for the mirror has two faces. >> i should have never encouraged you to speak. >> bacall once worried hero bit ooh area would be all about bogard. just the opening

. >> reporter: at age 90, shimon peres has spent a lifetime in israeli politics, serving in the highest. and he knows what it takes to reach a peace deal. as foreign minister, he won a nobel peace prize, along with then prime minister yitzhak rabin and yasser arafat for reaching a 1993 agreement, the oslo accords. after decades of progress and setbacks peres tells me he is hopeful about the future. >> hopeful and optimistic. >> reporter: and the possibility of a lasting peace. >> but there is no real solution for the palestinian for us without having real peace. i think the fight in the middle east is more about the future than about the past. >> shimon peres speaking with me yesterday. we discussed what is going on here in the middle east. just ahead, nato's new fears about russian aggression. stand by for details of what has officials so concerned right now. if you wear a denture, touch it with your tongue. if your denture moves, it can irritate your gums. try fixodent plus gum care. it helps stop denture movement and prevents gum irritation. fixodent. and forget it. and prevents gum

by the way, nears not moderates like the ploar mahmoud abbas, and shimon peres and others, that werealled men of piece. these are fundamentalists extremists. hamas is the i.s.i.s. of gaza. they are committed to the genocide of infidels. "the new yorker" ran a superb piece, and the yazidi stuck in the mountains. in one day they called 2,000 yazidi, and the world says save gaza. all of a sudden the world discovered i.s.i.s. where was the outrage over the past few weeks? >> let me ask you something. 436 palestinian children have died in this last offensive. the last offensive, israel said, is about the tunnels. how is 436 children consistent with the issue of the tunnels. >> it's appalling. i'm disgusted with the killing of civilians in gaza. i'll say two things about that. first of all, it shows you the cynicism of hamas in being prepared to use violence to achieve a better deal out of the ceasefire deal. that's what they did, walking out of ceasefire negotiations that they agreed to to attack is ril to extract -- israel to extract concessions. >> i'm asking about the actions of israel

people, mutilating children, and unfortunately-- >> i'm going to tell you that president simone pere shimon perez. >> it is the biggest lie in the world. we know this gentleman, we've dealt with him for 20 years trying to convince the israelis to accept the peace which will make palestinians and israelis live next to each other in peace and cooperation. there are lies. they've used hell fire missiles and bombs and they're killing them. >> we know that there has been a message sent questioning why the u.n. put out a statement on friday holding hamas possible for violating the humanitarian cease-fire when the u.n. also stated that it has no independent means of verifying what happened. do you know what the response was to the emir from ban ki-moon? >> well, you know, the message of the emir--ban ki-moon was concerned about an israeli who was killed. and they were talking about him being captured. they know he was killed in action. he was not captured. he was killed in a warfield. and ban ki-moon was concerned about him. they asked him to ask qatar to find out about the assistance in gaza what