>> remember when general shinseki was asked, how many troops do you need in order to secure iraq, that is, after the battle. he said about 250,000 troops. that's what you need in afghanistan. >> so your choice is go big at 250,000, or the other option, which is get out faster, of afghanistan. >> well, that is sort of what we're doing. they've put an end date, the end of 2014, and if you listen to nato, and nato says this is the time to talk about reconciliation and political deals, the taliban doesn't seem to be in the mood for a political deal. there was a reconciliation committee, the taliban killed the head of it. >> that's interesting diplomacy. you would explain to me that an actual withdrawal, an aggressive withdrawal, jack, could be executed in a matter of 9 to 12 months, let's say. >> if you came to me, i was the commanding general and you're a politician and you said, listen, forget about the politics involved here. i know i'm going to catch all of this the -- >> just process. >> i want to get out. how fast can you do it without engaging the troops who were there while you're