howard shipman was convicted of a number of murders, 11.ry that happened in the inquiry of harold shipman was hundreds of deaths and it concluded that he was probably more likely than not involved in the deaths of hundreds of his patients. i think you a thing with lucy letby and the unit which normally saw about three deaths in a year, saw 13 deaths in the space of one calendar year not all of the steps resulted in murder charges in this case there might be some reasons for that it might be that the crown prosecution service felt there was not enough evidence to bring charges on all of the steps but to go from an average of three to 13 and a year, a leap of nearly five times that needs looking into and that's just extraordinary and a beggars belief that giving those numbers given those consultants were raising concerns with management those concerns are not acted on. another question is nhs trusts looking at what happened here and other direct lessons that can be learned already what i have to wait for the results of the inquiry? i really t

. — cases of beverley allitt and harold shipman, after those cases changes were put— shipman, after thosethe general medical— reservations around the general medical council were tightened up, deaths _ medical council were tightened up, deaths being referred to coroners after _ deaths being referred to coroners after harold shipman, that was tightened up. but still we see that lucy letby was able to carry out these _ lucy letby was able to carry out these awful murders and attempted murders _ these awful murders and attempted murders. what happened here was, this is— murders. what happened here was, this is a _ murders. what happened here was, this is a unit — murders. what happened here was, this is a unit that lost roughly, soften— this is a unit that lost roughly, soften the _ this is a unit that lost roughly, soften the tragic loss of three bables— soften the tragic loss of three babies a — soften the tragic loss of three babies a year normally, and they lost three — babies a year normally, and they lost three babies in a month. it is not like _ lost three babies in a month. it is not

in the early 2000, both of those led to inquiries into what happened, and they harold shipman inquiryn extensive inquiry that led to some significant changes in the qualifications that doctors had to revalidate themselves every year, changes to the general medical council in the wake of the harold shipman trial and a public inquiry that followed, and yet here we are, 20 years later, facing similar awful, awful outcomes, when someone who was meant to be in one of the most caring professions has committed such appalling crimes. and i think people could legitimately ask what else would a public inquiry learn? because we have tried to learn? because we have tried to learn these lessons before when these horrible, horrible cases have happened in the past. in these horrible, horrible cases have happened in the past.— happened in the past. in terms of death we have _ happened in the past. in terms of death we have been _ happened in the past. in terms of death we have been talking, - happened in the past. in terms of- death we have been talking, dominic, about the length of time it took for

i mean, if you can cast your mind back 20 years to harold shipman, the gp who was thought to have murderedients, an exhaustive inquiry was carried out into that in the early 2000 is, into that awful, awful episode, and i think we will see a very similar, deep dive into the circumstances around lucy letby�*s awful crimes. at the terrible thing is, many of the lessons that were drawn from harold shipman and before him, beverley allitt, a nurse who also murdered baby in the 1990s, many of those lessons will still apply here, and it is just an absolutely awful tragedy that these inquiries keep having to be held when this offending occurs.— having to be held when this offending occurs. having to be held when this offendin: occurs. . ., �* offending occurs. dominic, i don't know if there _ offending occurs. dominic, i don't know if there is _ offending occurs. dominic, i don't know if there is an _ offending occurs. dominic, i don't know if there is an overall - offending occurs. dominic, i don't know if there is an overall answer| know if there is an overall answer to this, but when it comes to

police were waiting for todd and shipman to surrender overnight, an event that certainly was avoidable. the brawl erupted when a riverboat coach captain tried moving a pontoon boat parked in the designated spot for a commercial ship coming in. >> the co-captain was doing his job. he was simply trying to move the boat and just enough to where the cruise ship can park safely. and it's and it's identified location. however it quickly escalated into a fist. you can come in these videos that are part of the police investigation in a shirtless man confronts the co-captain and a fight breaks out. >> several people then jump in, outnumbering the captain. moments later, witnesses who happened to be black rushed in to help the worker running, even swimming to the scene. oh my god. beating back the people who attacked the man. one used a folding chair to hit someone over the head. police say that man with the chair is now wanted for questioning. but for now, investigators are not filing any charges related to racial bias. >> we did examine if there was enough to file hate crimes charges on this c

greater manchester gp harold shipman was convicted in 2000 of murdering 15 patients.iry called for a system of medical examiners essentially, experts who examine all deaths to spot unusual patterns. but they were only brought in this year. meanwhile, the father of one of the nurse beverley allitt�*s victims says — 30 years on — lessons still need to be learned. gill dummigan, who's the health correspondent for north west tonight, has this exclusive report. the health secretary orders an urgent investigation into how the nurse beverley allitt was able to murderfour babies in may 1993, it's may 1993, and beverley allitt has just been convicted of killing four children and attacking nine more at grantham and kesteven general hospital. after the trial, the government held an inquiry into what had gone wrong at the hospital. the clothier report came out in 1994 and it identified a number of failings. but a central finding was that because every death and collapse could have another initial explanation, and because nobody could believe that a colleague could deliberately ha

beverley allitt, harold shipman and colin norris were all convicted of murdering their patients.tby, in each case, the authorities were asked, why weren't they stopped sooner? dr shipman targeted those who trusted him, elderly, vulnerable patients, and injected them with morphine. the bodies of nine of his victims were exhumed as part of the police investigation. he was jailed in 2000, and killed himself in prison four years later. she has been found with a quantity, that much, insulin in her. elderly patients were also the target of colin norris, a young nurse who went rogue. in 2008, he was found guilty of murdering four, and trying to kill a fifth. but the closest comparison to letby is perhaps beverley allitt — also a nurse in her 20s, also working on a children's ward, this time in lincolnshire. in 1993, allitt received 13 life sentences for the murder and attempted murder of infants. and we thought we would try and look at this to see how big the phenomenon was... criminologist david wilson has studied doctors and nurses who become serial killers. the person who kills withi

the greater manchester gp harold shipman, you may remember was convicted back into thousand of murderingr that court case called for a system of medical examiners —— in 2000. this would spot unusual patterns. but they were only brought in this year. meanwhile, the father of one of another victims says, 30 years onto the lessons from another case are left to be learned. the health correspondent for bbc north west tonight has this exclusive report. the health secretary orders an urgent investigation into how the nurse was able to murder for babies... it nurse was able to murder for babies- - -_ nurse was able to murder for babies... , ., �* , babies... it is may 1993 for beverly allott has just _ babies... it is may 1993 for beverly allott hasjust been _ babies... it is may 1993 for beverly allott hasjust been convicted - babies... it is may 1993 for beverly allott hasjust been convicted of. allott has just been convicted of killing clutch make children and attacking nine more. —— killing four children. the government held an inquiry into what had gone wrong at the hospital. the report cam

riverfront have now turned themselves in to police. 23-year-old allen todd and 25-year-old zachary shipmanrged with one count of assault in the third-degree. 48-year-old richard roberts, the other suspect at the time was already in custody >>> and phillies pitcher miking lorenzen threw a no-hitter against the nationals. it came in lorenzen's second start with the team since being traded to philadelphia last week. for more, download the cbs news app on your cell phone or connected tv. i'm shanelle kaul, cbs news, new york. ♪ >> announcer: this is the "cbs overnight news." >> we begin tonight with wildfires in hawaii that have people fleeing for their lives. the fast-spreading flames have engulfed entire towns on the island of maui, ripping through historic tourist destinations, burning everything in sight. hundreds of homes and businesses are feared destroyed as winds from hurricane dora have turned small brushfires into raging infernos. a state of emergency has been declared, and officials are preparing to ask for federal funding as soon as they get a better idea of the scale of destructio

police say 23 year old allen todd and 25 year old zachary shipman have both been charged with third degreessault. that's a misdemeanor charge by the city's police chief said investigators thoroughly looked into whether hate crime charges were warranted and they decided they were not. >> coming up, the history of breakdancing how the cultural phenomenon born in the bronx has found its way to the olympics and later, why this is a particularly promising pooch pool party. >> you're watching world news now. >> hi. phil swift here. and this is flex superglue. our super glue is so strong that just one single drop virtually welds itself to the surface. check it out. flex super glue can easily lift over. three tons. get the new flex super glue because it works. >> if you have mesothelioma, there is $33 billion set aside for victims and their families as america's largest injury law firm, morgan and morgan has recovered over $15 billion for injury victims and their families. morgan and morgan has a reputation for protecting and fighting for compensation for families just like yours. it's easy. it's

and zachary shipman, white male, 25 years old, one warrant for assault, third degree.e have instructed those individuals to turn themselves into law enforcement and at this time one is secured and in custody, the other two are set to turn themselves in within the next hour. we are also asking for mr. reggie gray, the black male, 42 years old, who was seen wielding that folding chair to contact the moebt ntgomery police depart for further interviews and as part of this investigation. as the man said a minute ago, this investigation is ongoing and more charges are likely. we want to thank the public and the media for supplying the much needed evidence and video surveillance that we have received and that helped us to determine the facts as they happened. keep in mind, when the incident took place, when it initially took place, the police department didn't have the luxury of the videos that we all have seen now. the police department was acting on statements and witness statements that occurred as we arrived. now that we have more information, again, more charges are pend

25-year-old zachary shipman were both charged with one count of assault in the third-degree. 48-year-old richard roberts, the other suspect at the time was already in custody. >>> and phillies pitcher michael lorenzen threw a no-hitter against the nationals. it came in lorenzen's second start with the team since being traded to philadelphia last week. for more, download the cbs news app on your cell phone or connected tv. i'm shanelle kaul, cbs news, new york. >>> it's thursday, august 10th, 2023. this is the "cbs morning news." island inferno. deadly wildfires sweep through the hawaiian island of maui where historic communities have been reduced to ash. we're going to have an update. [ gunshots ] >>> ecuador assassination. a presidential candidate is shot and killed during a campaign event. >>> fantastic finish. pitcher michael lorenzen makes history for the philadelphia phil the deadly shooting of a utah man during a raid on his home. agents are attempt -- were attempting to serve an arrest water yesterday after the man allegedly threatened to kill president biden and several others. e

beverley allitt, harold shipman and colin norris were all convicted of murdering their patients.ose who trusted him — elderly, vulnerable patients — and injected them with morphine. the bodies of nine of his victims were exhumed as part of the police investigation. he was jailed in 2000 and killed himself in prison four years later. she has been found with a quantity, that much, insulin in her. elderly patients were also the target of colin norris, a young nurse who went rogue. in 2008, he was found guilty of murdering four and trying to kill a fifth. but the closest comparison to letby is perhaps beverley allitt — also a nurse in her 20s, also working on a children's ward, this time in lincolnshire. in 1993, allitt received 13 life sentences for the murder and attempted murder of infants. and we thought we would try and look at this to see how big the phenomenon was... criminologist david wilson has studied doctors and nurses who become serial killers. the person who kills within a healthcare setting has already developed the desire to kill before they join the healthcare settin

news archive: today dr harold j frederick shipman was convicted of murdering 15 of his patients.of the day, i've worked with so many serial killers in my career, and all of them quite liked having the power to be able to decide who would live and who would die. because of course, that's the ultimate power for god. does lucy letby fit the profile of what you'd say is a health care serial killer? no, she doesn't. she is very social. she's very socialised, she has friendship groups. she has people in the hospital who, um, befriended her, mentored her. she is somebody that's seen not suspiciously. there's no evidence that she's fascinated by serial killers. i read the prosecution's opening account of the evidence and i thought, is that it? and i say that because i kept thinking there would be more. clearly it's circumstantial, and often murder cases are often solved by circumstantial evidence, but there was no smoking gun in the letby case. it wasn't just the five unexpected deaths that were creating suspicion. another five babies almost died on the unit in unusual circumstances over

three of the white boater, 48-year-old richard roberts, 23-year-old alan todd, 25-year-old zachary shipman alabama, this third degree assault is, in fact, a smooern charge. it does carry jail time up to one year. i can only surmise it's being charged as a misdemeanor because of the nature of the injuries. >> reporter: they also want to interview a fourth man, 42-year-old reggie gray, seen in this video swinging a folding chair. >> probably 60 people fighting. that's a massive amount of people fighting. i don't know if you know who's fighting who, at that point. >> reporter: the very site of the attack has a racially charged past. >> that particular dock was the site of slave trades. montgomery, alabama, has a very rich and negative history as it relates to the treatment of african americans. the brutality that african americans have suffered in montgomery, alabama. >> reporter: police say while there isn't enough evidence for hate crime charges at this point, the case is ongoing. >> hate crimes are very difficult, however, to prove by prosecutors. they have to prove that the act of violenc

questioning >> reporter: the trio of men facing misdemeanor charge, richard roberts, allen todd and zachary shipman. one person has already turned himself in with the others expected to. it's drawn national outrage. >> i don't think you can judge any community by any one incident >> reporter: the man seen tacked in the video is the rive riverboat co-captain he spent 40 minutes trying to get them to move the boat via a p.a. system. >> he was trying to move the boat just enough to where the cruise ship could park >> reporter: this new video shows other men coming to picket's aid, as the altercation escalates. the unfolding fight largely along racial lines, fueling que there's no evidence that would the ftandard for that >> there was no stone unturn we examined this over riod of timeth. not on tnight t since that night we werunableo present any racially-biassed charges at this >> reporter: those who witnessed it felt t help husband what helpless. >> you never know how people are going to react these days. >> reporter: they hope the investigation delivers justice sam brock, nbc news. >>> cleanup contin

there have been us a public inquiry is on the nhs over the years, bristol, shipman, made stuff, a lot implemented so i think there is a piece of work to be done to look at those recommendations and to make sure they have been followed through and those that haven't we need to find out why and then there is inquiry itself to really i think a judge led inquiry is required here and i think it should compel witnesses, not to say that people who are involved in the chief executive of chester said it will comply fully, that is great and so he should, but as this goes on, there may be people who don't wish to enter the inquiry needs to be able to reach wherever it wants to go and wherever the families feel it needs to go and i think the thing that draws those two points together, the common thread is what you alluded to in your question, confidence. the public need to be reassured and have confidence in the system and therefore the inquiry is absolutely critical in doing that. it could be some time before it gets under way, it could be some time before it gets underway, i it could be some ti

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shipman a clinical matter, i.e.an and the 27 deaths, or let these case, all of the children dying or being seriously injured . and or being seriously injured. and there's got to be a quicker way through that without the hospital worrying about his own reputation because the other thing that's come out of this is wokeism i mean, unbelievably, wokeism. i mean, unbelievably, this woman is moved after seven different clinical experts have asked for her to be moved and she's reinstated. and receives a written apology because of wokeism in the nhs. written apology because of wokeism in the nhs . we had to wokeism in the nhs. we had to think about her feelings. i mean, it's just madness. there's got to be a better way of running the nhs than this and actually the thing that stands out to me apart from the fact that there isn't a protocol with the police in the to the police in the nhs to identify problems is the identify problems earlier is the fact that all of these decisions makers, as we've seen, they're not clinical, t

have been identified as 48-year-old richard roberts, 23-year-old allan todd, and 25-year-old zachary shipman. >> those guys who parked there were told not to leave it there. >> reporter: authorities say the brawl started when this river boat cocaptain, identified by authorities as damien pickett, tried moving a pontoon boat in the designated spot for a cruise ship on its way in. >> the cocaptain was doing his job. he was simply trying to move the boat just enough to where the cruise ship could park safely, in its identified location, however, it quickly escalated into fisticufs. >> reporter: in these now viral videos, part of the police investigation, you see a shirtless man confront the cocop tan cocaptain. a fight breaking out. several people jumping in, outnumbering the captain. that's when, all of sudden, black eyewitnesses who were watching decided to jump in and help the captain, running, even swimming up to the scene. beating back the people who attacked the man. one of them using a folded chair to hit someone over the head. tonight, police say that man with the chair is wanted for qu

you'll have heard, everyone's heard of harold shipman, beverley allitt.our patch? it's really difficult to believe, to accept. i think there'll be some time of reflection for everybody that's been involved as to what we've been involved in and what this means in the future. but it has been a really shocking investigation to be part of. and i really hope that i'm not part of anything like this again. you are watching bbc news, plenty more coming up, don't go away. live from london. this is bbc news. the uk government orders an independent inquiry, after a hospitalfailed to investigate allegations against lucy letby — the nurse found guilty of murdering seven newborn babies in her care. uk police investigating the murder of 10—year—old sara sharif, found dead in a house in the southeastern town of woking, have identified three people they want to talk to in connection with the inquiry. sara's father, urfan sharif, his partner, beinash batool, and urfan's brother, faisal malik. hurricane hilary heads towards north—west mexico before heading to california as

allen todd and zachary shipman surrendered to police and face charges of third degree assault. richard roberts was already in custody. officials say a fight broke out after the boaters were asked to move out of the way for a riverboat. >>> and a court ruling made public on wednesday has revealed that the office of jack smith executed a search warrant earlier this year for the twitter account of former president trump. the ruling said smith's office was searching for evidence of criminal offenses. the warrant's existence was made public in a decision by a federal appeals court holding the social media giant known now ag as x as not immediately complying with the request posting on truth social wednesday, trump accused the justice department of secretly attacking his twitter account. >>> just hours before president biden landed in ute e ute wedneut federal officials shot and killed a man who made threats. >> reporter: the fbi says its agent agents had a deadly confrontation with a man who had threatened to kill him a suspect, craig robertson, who they say was approximately 70 to

again, doctor harold shipman, the beginning of the 20005, convicted of killing 15 patients at, againsix or seven report5 independent inquiry, that had six or seven reports over a number of years, looking at his actions, the fact he may have killed over 200 people, that inquiry found. the question i get is speed versus detail, and compelling people. the government said in this case it wants a quicker inquiry. —— i guess. we are expecting the sentencing, but again questions as to why lucy letby will not be appearing. yes. again questions as to why lucy letby will not be appearing.— will not be appearing. yes. i mean, the issue there _ will not be appearing. yes. i mean, the issue there is _ will not be appearing. yes. i mean, the issue there is it's _ will not be appearing. yes. i mean, the issue there is it's her— will not be appearing. yes. i mean, the issue there is it's her choice, i the issue there is it's her choice, and she is saying she's not going to do that. the question then, should something be done about that? question has been around for some time. last year there thenjus

>> reporter: the trio of men facing misdemeanor charges, richard roberts, allen todd and zachary shipman. police say one person has already turned himself in, with the others expected to tonight. the incident has drawn national outrage. >> i don't think you can judge any community in one incident. >> reporter: the man seen attacked in the video is riverboat co-captain damien pickett. police say the captain spent about 45 minutes trying to get the pontoon boat owners trying to move using a p.a. system before pickett untied the boat. >> the co-captain was doing his job. he was simply trying to move the boat just enough to where the cruise ship can park. >> reporter: this new video shows other men coming to pickett's aid as the altercation escalates. the unfolding fight largely along racial lines, fueling questions about possible hate crime charges, though the chief says there is currently no evidence that would meet the fbi's standard for that. >> there was no stone unturned. we examined this over a period of time. not only that night, but since that night. we were unable to present any in

because in that way we might have found shipman earlier . we have found shipman earlier.llitt earlier and victoria siano , the earlier and victoria siano, the filipino nurse who's murdering people . because there's that people. because there's that sense of caring and wanting to protect reputation. people aren't prepared to. how can i putit? aren't prepared to. how can i put it? go for in the clinch. what detectives do . what detectives do. >> yeah, i mean, we know we're going to hear the rhetoric of, oh, you know, there will be an inquiry and lessons must be learned. but that's not really good enough here, is it? i mean, this was extraordinary. the story goes on and on. i mean, for of the of the registrars , for of the of the registrars, the specialists got together. they called them the gang of four. and they are the ones who kept complaining and complaining and complaining saying there is something seriously wrong here. and it points towards this woman, lucy letby. and they were admonished to the point where they actually forced to withdraw their complaints and apologi

there are other reasons why health care professionals might kill, for example doctor shipman appearsercy. colin norris killed elderly people because he didn't like elderly people. but the salience of the interactions with the family seems to be quite striking in this case. �* , ., ., ., seems to be quite striking in this case. �* ., ., , seems to be quite striking in this case. �* , ., ., ., , ., case. and it is also again been a real threat _ case. and it is also again been a real threat of _ case. and it is also again been a real threat of what _ case. and it is also again been a real threat of what we _ case. and it is also again been a real threat of what we have - case. and it is also again been a | real threat of what we have seen case. and it is also again been a - real threat of what we have seen his disgust at court, the way that —— a real thread. this cloak of normality that she used, the way she use this to hide the crimes, the worst of crimes that she was carrying out and for so long, even when suspicion started to be raised people were saying well, lucy letby is nice, ki

, beverley, alice and shipman, harold shipman as well.these should go into hospital and be should go into a hospital and be absolutely they're absolutely trusting. they're going best treatment going to get the best treatment . you cheshire police >> you praise cheshire police for what they've done so far, but now whether but one wonders now whether they're some they're going to need some outside bearing in mind the outside help bearing in mind the scale they've in scale of what they've got in front of them. scale of what they've got in absolutely, because cheshire constabulary is a very small force. >> you know, it's surrounded by manchester merseyside police manchester and merseyside police and they'll have of course, they've got they've got senior detectives involved in this case and they'll every day and they'll have every day they'll there'll and they'll have every day the burglaries there'll and they'll have every day the burglaries , there'll and they'll have every day the burglaries , robberies,�*re'll and they'll have every day th

names of course come to mind lot doctor harold shipman, but it is a rare thing but what is it is someere saying there, somebody who is seeking that thrill from killing, to actually work in the medical profession because i think as a society, we find that particularly chilling, don't we?— find that particularly chilling, don't we? , ., ., don't we? yes, indeed. you do find serial killers _ don't we? yes, indeed. you do find serial killers sometimes _ don't we? yes, indeed. you do find serial killers sometimes getting - serial killers sometimes getting 'obs serial killers sometimes getting jobs where they actually have access to victims. _ jobs where they actually have access to victims, so that's one possibility. i cannot say that that is the _ possibility. i cannot say that that is the case — possibility. i cannot say that that is the case with lucy letby, but what _ is the case with lucy letby, but what sometimes happens is having access— what sometimes happens is having access is— what sometimes happens is having access is incidental and it develops overtime — access is incidental a

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news archive: today dr harold j frederick shipman was convicted of murdering 15 of his patients.th so many serial killers in my career, and all of them quite liked having the power to be able to decide who would live and who would die. because of course, that's the ultimate power for god. does lucy letby fit the profile of what you'd say is a health care serial killer? no, she doesn't. she is very social. she's very socialised, she has friendship groups. she has people in the hospital who, um, befriended her, mentored her. she is somebody that's seen not suspiciously. there's no evidence that she's fascinated by serial killers. i read the prosecution's opening account of the evidence and i thought, is that it? and i say that because i kept thinking there would be more. clearly it's circumstantial, and often murder cases are often solved by circumstantial evidence, but there was no smoking gun in the letby case. it wasn't just the five unexpected deaths that were creating suspicion. another five babies almost died on the unit in unusual circumstances over the same period. lucy let

the of harold shipman. >> who's running this system?? the what the rold shipman. >> who's running this system? the what the hellshipman. >> who's running this system? the what the hell was �*nan. >> who's running this system? the what the hell was going mean, what the hell was going on?ifs mean, what the hell was going on? it's outrageous , isn't it? on? it's outrageous, isn't it? >> so, yeah, i mean, that's a that's a fair point. i mean, this this seems to be almost i mean, although i'm people mean, although i'm sure people from government mean, although i'm sure people from say government mean, although i'm sure people from say, government mean, although i'm sure people from say , oh, government mean, although i'm sure people from say , oh, no, government mean, although i'm sure people from say , oh, no, govevetfent would say, oh, no, we vet everybody. we follow strict, strict rules and protocols. but i mean, hillary, i've read about some of these cases. there was a case of a mother who only found out that her 23 year old son was goin

the of harold shipman. >> who's running this system?? the what the rold shipman. >> who's running this system? the what the hellshipman. >> who's running this system? the what the hell was �*nan. >> who's running this system? the what the hell was going mean, what the hell was going on?ifs mean, what the hell was going on? it's outrageous , isn't it? on? it's outrageous, isn't it? >> so, yeah, i mean, that's a that's a fair point. i mean, this this seems to be almost i mean, although i'm people mean, although i'm sure people from government mean, although i'm sure people from say government mean, although i'm sure people from say, government mean, although i'm sure people from say , oh, government mean, although i'm sure people from say , oh, no, government mean, although i'm sure people from say , oh, no, govevetfent would say, oh, no, we vet everybody. we follow strict, strict rules and protocols. but i mean, hillary, i've read about some of these cases. there was a case of a mother who only found out that her 23 year old son was goin

allen todd, white male, 23 years old, assault third degree, and zachary shipman, white male, 25 years old, one warrant for assault, third degree. we have instructed those individuals to turn themselves in to law enforcement and at this time one is secured and in custody, the other two are said to turn themselves in within the next hour. we are also asking for mr. reggie gray, black male, 42 years old who was seen wielding the folding chair to contact the montgomery police department for further interviews and as part of this investigation. as the mayor said a minute ago this investigation is ongoing and more charges are likely. we want to thank the public and the media for supplying the much needed evidence and video surveillance that we received and helped us to determine the facts as they happen. keep in mind when the incident took place, when it initially took place, the police department didn't have the luxury of the video that we all have seen now. the police department was acting on statements and witness statements that occurred as we arrived. now that we have more information

there are two others, allen todd and zachary shipman. turned the in yet and the mayor is hoping they will do so by the end of the day. more charges could be possible as police investigate, but we do know that witnesses on the boat that was trying to dock tell nbc news, these pontoon owners are being asked for some 45 minutes over the p.a. system to have ma. they say this was entirely preventible and avoidable. it appears also that this brawl was divided among racial lines. we know the mayor who has said that there are allegations that racial slurs were being used. they say they're investigating. right now, they say the evidence that they have doesn't meet fbi standards for a hate crime. here's what else he told msnbc today. >> it is certainly disappointing from everyone's view to see someone who is just doing their job, get attacked for doing their job. and i think the next few days of the investigation will tell us there was more to it than what we just saw in the video. >> the mayor said it appears it was an isolated incident and a gro

zachary shipman, 25, also for assault., 13 individuals and there are many charges pending. we also found out from law enforcement that the co-captain of the harriet ii, the river boat that was supposed to be parked where the pontoon boat was instead, spent some 45 minutes on the pa system trying to reach the owners of the boat before that happened to tell them please move your boat, we have to bring it here based on the size and length of the river boat. he got a ride from a 16-year-old who's also described as a victim in this case, white, who took the co-captain to the dock where that unfolded. people on the harriet ii took videos. one of the questions, would there be any charges regarding racially based behavior, hate crimes or inciting a riot. police said despite the fact there were obscene gestures, words, taunting, it didn't meet the threshold according to fbi standards of montgomery police for bringing hate crime charges. here's what they said. >> we did examine if there was enough to file hate crimes charges on this

we also have two other men, allen todd and zachary shipman, each facing one count thus far.e police chief says they expect to do that today. police are also asking for another man, reggie gray who is seen wielding a folding chair to contact police. we're looking at video of the brawl that unfolded over the weekend. none of the men pleaded yet. you see here the brawl is divided along racial lines. we're going to get to that component in a moment. we're also hearing from that coa moment. witnesses are telling msnbc news that captains were yelling over the pa system for some 45 minutes asking the pontoon owners to move their boat. the witnesses say that was entirely preventable and they were ignoring the calls. police say they have reports that racial slurs were being used. they're investigating that right now. the information they have doesn't rise to what the fbi defines as hate crimes. when asked by ana cabrera on msnbc whether more charges were pending, the mayor of montgomery says more charges could be filed. he says he doesn't want montgomery to be known for this. >> the

two other men, allen todd and zachary shipman have yet to turn themselves in, each facing a charge of assault. of course, police and the mayor, they say they're still investigating, and more charges could come. we're hearing from witnesses also, who tell nbc news that the captain of the river boat asked the owners of the pontoon boat for some 45 minutes over the p.a. system to move. they say this was entirely preventable, the pontoon owners had ample opportunity to move which we also see in this video appears divided among racial lines. the mayor told msnbc today, this was an isolated incident among bad actors who weren't from this area. when it comes to the racial component, this is what he said. >> we've heard information that racial slurs and epithets were used. we're trying to follow up to, you know, confirm that. from my standpoint, understanding that the history of being born and raise ds here, it's a level of sensitivity that may seem different. to see something like this in our city is problematic. >> the mayor added it's disappointing to see someone attacked for doing their j

in police custody this morning, richard roberts, two other men, alan todd and zachary shipman are expected to turn themselves in. all of them facing misdemeanor assault charges. none of the men have pleaded in the case yet, and nbc news hat not been able to reach them for comment. >> it definitely should never have even gotten physical to begin with. >> reporter: for witnesses who watched for a riverboat that was attempting to dock like leslie may horter, the 45 minutes the police say the captain spent asking the pontoon owners to move their boat was clearly in vain. >> could you hear what these guys were shouting back? >> i could not hear what they were shouting back. the attitude they exude was the fact that you're not going to tell us what to do. we were here first. >> there's no doubt they were notified. they knew they were being asked to move. >> they had ample opportunity to move their boat. >> reporter: when asked about possible use of racial epithets or names, the police chief said the evidence they have does not currently meet the fbi standard for a hate crime. >> there was a lot

we of course saw harold shipman as well, who was who was found out and sentenced in the year 2000.believe . and year 2000. and i believe. and now of course we have lucy letby. it seems that there's almost a pattern of behaviour here and lessons that have not been learned . been learned. >> well, look, tom, i think it's really important that we all remember that the vast majority of professional within the nhs andindeed of professional within the nhs and indeed everybody working there do a superb job for us all and it is tragic and appalling that where one person like letby and the ones you've mentioned is able to have such of an autonomy, if you like , a, you autonomy, if you like, a, you know, a control over situation that then, you know, murder and mayhem can ensue . i think from mayhem can ensue. i think from what we're seeing , the emerging what we're seeing, the emerging reports about this case do reveal that a number of professionals had deep concerns and there were clearly complaint procedures and a number of processes that were undertaken within the nhs prior to the arrest

doctor shipman . but what nobody said at shipman.ody said at that time is appalling. >> me, christie >> but forgive me, christie nobody mentioned ethnicity nobody mentioned the ethnicity at all. no, i mean, i remember the beverley allitt case, which was what, two thousand and seven, and that even an seven, and that wasn't even an issue. the times in issue. but the times were in high identity politics. i know, but the thing is, think of the sensitivities , though, in this sensitivities, though, in this country, christine. >> every time there >> every time that there is a muslim terrorist to know not link any part of the crime to their religion, well, look for example, the way that the rotherham the pakistan. >> yeah. the rape rape gangs were allowed to go unchecked because everyone was scared. everybody was terrified to mention their race. matthew laterza, why are views like this thriving among the hard left? >> well , i thriving among the hard left? >> well, i think partly because i just got absolutely right. >> it's clickbait and it

doctor shipman . but what nobody said at shipman.ody said at that time is appalling. >> me, christie >> but forgive me, christie nobody mentioned ethnicity nobody mentioned the ethnicity at all. no, i mean, i remember the beverley allitt case, which was what, two thousand and seven, and that even an seven, and that wasn't even an issue. the times in issue. but the times were in high identity politics. i know, but the thing is, think of the sensitivities , though, in this sensitivities, though, in this country, christine. >> every time there >> every time that there is a muslim terrorist to know not link any part of the crime to their religion, well, look for example, the way that the rotherham the pakistan. >> yeah. the rape rape gangs were allowed to go unchecked because everyone was scared. everybody was terrified to mention their race. matthew laterza, why are views like this thriving among the hard left? >> well , i thriving among the hard left? >> well, i think partly because i just got absolutely right. >> it's clickbait and it

i mean, you know, there are enough similarities here with shipman case for with the harold shipman casene's alarm bells to have been sounded . so it just is the sounded. so it just is the feeling that there never is going to be a satisfactory remedy, certainly within the pubuc remedy, certainly within the public sector. remedy, certainly within the public sector . james says even public sector. james says even within the broader british economy , yeah, i'm absolutely economy, yeah, i'm absolutely not against the media digging and digging very hard. >> and when it finds facts to report those facts and we can then make our judgements on it, then make ourjudgements on it, it's just really difficult to know that the facts have always been reported accurately . and so been reported accurately. and so i think a degree of caution is needed. but we're all blowers needed. but we're all blowers need to be protected. we really need to be protected. we really need to be protected. we really need to have a robust system, perhaps more robust than we already have, to make sure that people can blow the

we had harold shipman, but she went in there knowing what she was going to do and she executed it inoded way. >> i find that utterly shocking that if that was why she went into nursing , that if that was why she went into nursing, i'm that if that was why she went into nursing , i'm absolutely into nursing, i'm absolutely stunned . and joe, if she is a stunned. and joe, if she is a psychopath , there will never be psychopath, there will never be any closure for the grieving families of those babies , families of those babies, because i expect then she is never going to explain why she behaved as she did . behaved as she did. >> and that's very common. and exactly the same happen with bev and others. they do not speak about it. anything to any of the, you know, prison mates or whatever. they just never discuss it again. it's not spoken about. and the only closure these poor families are going to get, if there is some sort of an inquiry into how on earth we ended up with seven consultants apologising to her or of her about her behaviour, and they accused her of something wrongly. so th

we had shipman, course, had harold shipman, of course, in how can it in this country.e be that there was this attitude that possibly be that it couldn't possibly be happening? happened happening? it has happened before lessons before and unless lessons learnt, say this learnt, we always say this unless i learned, unless the lessons i learned, somebody point try somebody at some point will try and again. and do it again. >> and by the way, and you're absolutely right at least absolutely right here at least five of those senior executive have on other have either moved on to other jobs in other health authorities or on golden pensions of or retired on golden pensions of up to £18 million. pension pots. it's an absolute disgrace. and they should be dragged back to court and asked to account for the fact that they stood around doing nothing and for the hundreds of millions of pounds that we spend on management in the nhs . the nhs. >> i'm amazed that the data didn't just flag up. i mean, this a real aberration, real this is a real aberration, real out of ordinary. these ar

we had shipman, course, had harold shipman, of course, in how can it in this country.e be that there was this attitude that possibly be that it couldn't possibly be happening? happened happening? it has happened before lessons before and unless lessons learnt, say this learnt, we always say this unless i learned, unless the lessons i learned, somebody point try somebody at some point will try and again. and do it again. >> and by the way, and you're absolutely right at least absolutely right here at least five of those senior executive have on other have either moved on to other jobs in other health authorities or on golden pensions of or retired on golden pensions of up to £18 million. pension pots. it's an absolute disgrace. and they should be dragged back to court and asked to account for the fact that they stood around doing nothing and for the hundreds of millions of pounds that we spend on management in the nhs . the nhs. >> i'm amazed that the data didn't just flag up. i mean, this a real aberration, real this is a real aberration, real out of ordinary. these ar

yeah, it's going to take harold shipman. >> you know, we don't we don't know the full extent of his murderseither. and is it the case that you know, in a large pubuc case that you know, in a large public sector organised nation that's really a monolith with no competitors? isn't the competitors? there isn't the accountability you'd get in accountability that you'd get in accountability that you'd get in a in a smaller , more agile organisation? >> absolutely . yeah, i think >> absolutely. yeah, i think that's true. i've got a friend who unfortunately him and his wife had a miscarriage and then they subsequently a letter they subsequently got a letter calling them in for a scan for a baby that had already passed and they complained and they complained about it and then another letter for then they got another letter for then they got another letter for the think, the same. and you just think, you know. what do they do you know. and what do they do about that? nothing. that's. yeah i mean, yeah. >> without without that >> without that, without that drive, throughout drive, that incentive thro

i fear that we're in too close to a dystopian reality where a doctor shipman esque death by doctor onecomes normalised . and let's becomes normalised. and let's remember that a life, any life is worth far more than two signatures and a depressed syringe that assisted dying requires under the canadian law, our most vulnerable . it might our most vulnerable. it might seem like financial burdens to penny pinch and bureaucrat s, but they are much more than that to me. and i imagine you they are cherished human beings who deserve our protection and support . and this is all despite support. and this is all despite the canadian supreme court ruling that fears of a slippery slope in a homicide were unfounded . and now i can't help unfounded. and now i can't help but look at justin trudeau's so—called old liberal agenda . so—called old liberal agenda. and worry is this this is it. the future that we want for our country . i think it's time to country. i think it's time to hit the brakes on this conversation . britain, we must conversation. britain, we must consider where this path will ultima