we're back now with shira goodman of cease-fire pa and jonathan goldstein who represents the nra. thank you both for sticking around. shira, if you want to continue your point, i rudely interrupted you. >> jonathan was making a point of how our laws are passed. do they pass them because they look at them and say they're a good law or the nra gifdz them a lot of money. it's a combination. lobbying groups, we have a lobby arm, too. we do spend money and do work to educate the public and legislators. if people want to make a difference, if people are concerned about this on either side, they are the ones that have the power, at the voting booth, in calling their legislators, in d.c. and harrisburg, that's what makes a difference. people do sit there. it is people's jobs in our legislative offices in harrisburg in washington, d.c. to take records of phone calls, to record eames. your voice does matter. i would encourage anyone who cares about this to weigh in. >> our members act in exactly that way. we have 200,000 more or less members in pennsylvania. they call. there isn't a legislat