as for shirley, she's just happy the smell is gone. 7 on your side. >> still ahead, those scratchy old vinyl records are not quite a thing of the past. next, we pay tribute to record stores where analog recordings ♪ you're unpacking already? yeah. help me find some mugs? sure. ♪ [ beep ] hey. okay. -these'll do. -yeah. [ male announcer ] wake up to the mountain grown aroma of folgers. ♪ the best part of wakin' up so, where do you want to start? i think this is a pretty good place. ♪ is folgers in your cup >> well, here are the winning numbers from last night's $72 million mega millions draw. 22, 23, 33, 39, 48 and the mega number is 29. nobody in california won the jackpot but there was one winner in new york that matched all the numbers. so the jackpot now resets to $12 million for tuesday's drawing. well, i bet you didn't know this. today is record store day. it is an annual promotion for music stores that are quickly disappearing. stop by one of them today and you'll likely find several exclusive releases including songs from bruce

stand up, shirley. few years ago we had a wonderful opportunity to work with supervisors mirkarimi and are lee on the adoption of san francisco's slavery disclosure ordinance and we're looking forward to having is the same kind of experience with supervisor coyne as she moves forward in legislation with us the we're very excited about that undertakele -- taking. that was supposed to lead to a nice little smooth transition for them to make remarks. since they are not here -- somebody's coming, i'm told. on cue, supervisor coyne, right on cue is here. supervisor malia cohen, ladies and gentlemen. >> thank you. hello. happy black history month. -- month. how are you good. thank you for coming out here this morning. i'm so excited to be here. there have been many years that have come and gone in the past that i was in these seats over here listening to the speakers commemorate, honor the memory and legacy of many of our an set of erps and the persons that have gone on before us and it is about time that we

and they knew each other before i knew shirley. we've had this long, what, 50-year relationship and bond. so when al called me about bringing some pieces here to san francisco, we didn't hesitate. i'm going to ask all uven to take, when you go to d.c., on the main floor of the main gearly -- gallery at the american history museum, the most visited museum in the world, there is george washington to the left, the american flag to the middle, and the kiprusoffy collection to the right. and i just want you to know that because you know, luis was trying to tell you who the kinseys are and you know what? you need to know who's speaking to you so sometimes you sit up a little bit better and you listen, but we are very grounded in what we're doing and we've lived in san francisco back in the 1970's. we ran a million square feet for der -- xerox out of south san francisco. we ran the oakland branch in oakland for three years there where i had 100 black folks working for me in 1977, just so you know. so we got our roots in the right place. w

as for shirley she's just happy the smell is gone... ♪ [ beep ] hey. [ giggles ]ok. ♪ ...is folgers in your cup ♪ >> here are the winning numbers from last night's $72 million mega millions draw. here we had them. >> nobody in california won the jackpot but there was one ticket winner in new york that got all of the numbers right. so the jackpot resets to $12 million for tuesday's drawing. today is records store day, an annual promotion from music stores that are quickly disappearing. stop by one of them today and you'll likely find several exclusive releases including songs from bruce springsteen the white stripes and nirvana. last year's sells of vinyl records were up by 14% their best numbers in 20 years. then again, vinyl accounts for less than 1% of overall music sales each year. you'll find a complete list of participating stores on our web site, abc7news.com. things are looking much better now for a legendary bay area musician who we profiled a few months back. >> that's lester chambers performing "time has come today" a huge h

as for shirley, she is just happy the smell is gone. fi finney, 7 on yor side. >>> easter eggs are a time honored tradition but not at one washington state school. tonight, why some are calling it eggless in seattle. stay with us. just when we thought spring was here to stay a burst of winter like weather hit the bay area today. an abc 7 viewer sent in this video of hail. and in the sierra, a few more flakes piled up on top of what has already been a record snow season. >> unusual weather there. take a look at today's high temperatures. well, below the average for this time of year. 57 to 61 degrees at these locations. and you can see what the average temperatures for this date would be in these locations. we were about 7 to 11 degrees below the average which is pretty cool but it was still a very pleasant today. tomorrow morning at 8:00, cool as well. temperatures mainly in the 40s at that hour. by noon we will not be seeing much of a warm-up. temperatures in the mid 50s and by late afternoon the mildest readings low to mid 60s. a dry

shirley garrett is in critical condition at johns hopkins hospital. according to court records, she fought for custody of him when his mother died in 2002. >> stay with us, there is more news ahead on 11 news at 6:00. >> it is opening day at pimlico. a live report, coming up. >> opening day for the orioles as well and with them comes the highest expectation in 14 years. more on that later in sports. >> it may be able, but there is still some rain and snow in the mid-atlantic region and in the forecast. details are straight ahead. what do we have here? oh, it's scotts naturescapes advanced mulch. advanced huh? ehh...mulch is mulch. oh, not so, pops. ordinary mulch can fade after a few months. that's mulch! naturescapes holds its color for a full year. a whole year? guaranteed. plus, it's water smart. water-what? water smart. it channels water directly to the roots... reducing runoff, so you can water 30% less. saves water...holds color... you're sure this is mulch? ♪ [ male announcer ] scotts naturescapes advanced mulch. >> the maryland jockey club say

shirley, you are getting to be an old pro. shirley and jill made their first television appearance a while ago, i think it was up in philly. it was for a boots on the ground event. mr. secretary, they were both scared to death. now i'm scared to follow jill. jill and i just returned from a ceremony that honored bob dole and his heroic service, unparled devotion to supporting veterans in this country. you know, he always knew and taught me what many of us have come to learn, that we have many obligations in this country, but we only have one truly, one truly say credit obligation. and that -- sacred obligation. and that is to prepare those who we send to war with all that they need and take care of those who return from war and their families with all they deserve. although bob's generation is known as the greatest generation this is known, this generation of warriors may be known for the most devotion because of the long, long, long periods of service they have had to endure. they have seen multiple deployments. they have seen

. >> we noticed the musty smell after we took the step in shirley's bedroom. a problem that has them scatching their heads. >> that is the vice-president of the company that manufactured the blinds. >> any type of odorwe have with our products and lasting more than a day. >> the national blinds tried to help her with the predicament and sent them back to the factory . two separate factory looked at the blind and concluded they didn't smell and suggested that shirley's windows might be the problem. >> but to do something and tell me it is my windows, that made me mad. >> she called 7 on your side and we contacted hunter douglas. they suspect the smell is coming from the blinds. the heat might play a role in the inks that are used in the printing process. normally it disapates in a day or two. but to have it continue, that is unusual. >> hunter douglas has since replaced her blinds at no additional costs. >> is nice to not to have to wake up and wonder if you smell the ghosts. i have enjoyed my new blinds. >> hunter douglas plans to investigate but suspect it is

my name is shirley jones, and i am the chair of the executive park. committee. and i have been the chair for over 35 years, and this project has been going on for over 35 years apart because of all the changes that have happened over the years, we are at the point now where i would like to see closure and the product to be -- a project to be fully built out based on what has happened and what has been approved by the city. the advisory board approved this project there was a staff person and city planning. but that time, he was a staff person at city plan nitpicky -- at city planning. a little hollywood community, highway 101, to claim that this is part, where years ago, that was called bayview hill and candlestick project. supervisor maxwell hired him as part of the staff, part of her staff. mrs. jackson -- can i have two minutes, please? one more minute? i am winding down. supervisor mar: to be fair to everyone, i think it is important to stick with our time unless someone wants to ask you a follow-up question. supervisor cohen: you still have 30 seconds. mrs.

the latest on the hunt for a new york serial killer and shirley mcklain talks about the current statef hollywood and remembers her friend, elizabeth tailor. thank you for watching "early today." just for first stop of the day, today on your nbc stays. have a good one.

. -- randy shirley. i had someone asked me why we honor our veterans.ne of the dumbest question is i have ever heard. i was offended when i heard it. i'm still offended. you wonder why native people honor our veterans. because my elders said so. before r.e.m. men, our young women go off to serve in the military, back home, we have ceremony to protect them, to make share -- make sure that they return home safe to their family, to be a round their friends, to be able to sing and dance when they come back. we did the same period this arena represents a place of healing. they leave with their culture, their traditions, their language. they learn about these things. they meet new people. it expands their horizons. it also gives them the opportunity to pursue higher education, go out and find a job with veterans preference. so why do we honor our veterans? because we are told to. that is the way it was done before my great, great grandfather, my great grandfather, my grandfather, my dad, and now me. if you still do not understand it, see me after. i will be i

shirley maclaine. up next, four dlirelicious ways serve sausage dishes.ou by ragu. feed our kids well. >> back at 8:43. this morning on "today's cooking school" sausage four ways. we have four different kinds -- pork, chicken, vegetarian and see food. we are all here ready to learn. our teacher the check tif chef of porter house new york, michael la monaco joins us. we all get a different type. i heard you call it saviche. >> this is italian sausage, pork sausage, italian style, sweet not hot. we have a great dish to make. >> you have roasted some in the oven already? >> i par cook it so we can cut it into pieces. so we cut it into rings. now we're just frying it a little bit. >> how long do you saute? >> six minutes, max. then in the oven, good to go. you have pasta, asparagus. this is pencil asparagus. i would like you to put your asparagus in with the sausage. >> hello. this is morning television. >> all right. go for it. >> we have beautiful asparagus. i didn't even have to blanch the asparagus. it's going right in. >> will you combine this hot with t

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shirley, you are getting to be an old pro.ughter] when shirley and jill made their first television appearance awhile ago, i think it was up in philly for the boots on the ground event, mr. secretary, there were both scared to death. now i am scared the followed jill. [laughter] ladies and gentlemen, and jill and i just returned from a ceremony that honored bob dole and his heroic service, an unparalleled devotion to supporting veterans in this country. you know, he always knew and taught me what many of us have come to learn -- that we have many obligations in this country, but we have only one truly sacred obligation, and that is to prepare those who we send to war with all that they need, and take care of those who return from war and their families with all they deserve. although bobs generation was known as the greatest generation, this generation of lawyers, as the chairman of the joint chiefs have mollen can tell you, this generation of warriors may be among the most devoted because of a long, long, long periods of serv

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. >> of supervisors, my name is shirley. i'm a registered nurse. i would like to consider seriously about cellphone service, especially in chinatown. last week, i have a patient that needs to see a doctor. however, she is about 1 mile from the doctor's office. she could not get any help. her husband tried to call. i hope everyone drops or selfish feelings and ideas. think about this serious safety needs. there are many seniors that live in that area. you know, i have friends and relatives over there and i tried to reach them and i was face to face with them, maybe two or 3 feet. i cannot call them and they cannot talk to us. also, my friend has been changing to different companies and none of the phone has been working in the chinatown area. please, consider the safety which is very important to our increasing health needs, population in china and north beach. you know, all of the other cities, they're using cell phones. they have antenna. can we research on the other city, let's see what happens? only, san francisco has life- threatening situation

you make it yours. jcpenney oprah: all new -- oscar winning legend shirley maclaine! have you ever seen an alien? >> you might be one for all i know! oprah: ufos -- sex -- and reincarnation. fas-cin-atin'! next "opopopopopopopopopopopopop can you enjoy vegetables with sauce and still reach your weight loss goals? you can with green giant frozen vegetables. over twenty delicious varieties have sixty calories or less per serving and are now weight watchers-endorsed. try green giant frozen vegetables with sauce. soft! hard! [ male announcer ] how do you decide between crunchy and soft tacos? why don't we have both? [ male announcer ] old el paso. hard and soft tacos. ♪ feed your fiesta. i love my pet baldagle brock, my bison sara, i love my pick-up with the custom constitution paint job... i celebrate jury duty... i love america so much, i'm making an all american jack combo two jumbo patties, with melting cheese, lettuce, tomato and pickles, plus fries and a drink for only $4.99. i've celebrated every american tradition...except one... spring break cancun yo!!!!!!!! >>>

. >> reporter: was shirley temple a bright child? >> her mother coached her every night on her lines and she was devoted to her mother. >> reporter: marlena she was tough? >> she was tough on photographers. she wanted control on the lighting and where you would be in relation to her. it's a wonder i got these pictures at all, because she wanted control of everything that was happening. >> reporter: this is stackpole's own house in the oakland hills before it was destroyed in last year's fire. this is how the fire looked as it approached the house. stackpole tried to save it by hosing it down, but had to abandon it along with thousands of re-replaceable negatives. >> you are regarding events and people of the era and so i feel great loss in a lot of the negatives gone. >> reporter: when we come back on "a second look," the 50-feet hole that shut down the bay bridge for a month, following the loma prieta quake and how it was fixed. . >> one of the most memorable images from the 199 loma prieta earthquake was the collapse of a a section

we will hear from shirley and jay. they are represented by an extraordinary attorney. we are going to start now. >> hello, everyone. thank you for inviting me to speak my parents brought me here when i was 14, 10 years ago, from the island country of fiji and the south pacific. and they came here illegally and applied for a green card. no one told them it would take 10 years to get it. my grandmother is a u.s. citizen and today my parents and my sister, my entire family here are citizens. i am the only undocumented in my family. that is because immigration officials refused to follow the law. i will explain why. it took so long to get my parents residency that i aged out. they do not care when you turn 21. they tell you to get in the back of the line. even waiting nine years, they are asking me to go to the back of the line again. i will be 23 by the time i can immigrate to the country legally. in the meantime, growing up, my parents had no idea this would happen. i graduated from college with a bachelor's in political science with a master's i as well. we fought hard

and with one round to go at the 75th oprah: all new -- oscar winning legend shirley maclaine!have you ever seen an alien? >> you might be one for all i know! oprah: ufos -- sex -- and reincarnation. fas-cin-atin'! and reincarnation. >>> we are finally going to get that stretch of weather we deserve. >> but we have to wait about four days until we get there. >> i'm waiting. >> and even get through a few showers. we will look at that in just a moment. look at the cars there waiting on the golden gate bridge. lots of sunshine today. if you were in an area where the wind was not, it was really nice and mild. the westerly wind kept most locations very cool today. a look at current readings. already in the 50s, san francisco. 54. 55 oakland. 57 napa. 63 santa rosa right now. 57 mountaineer view. san jose with sunshine there. 58. and we 61 right now in antioch. let me show you the winds. the westerly winds really picking up. dusts to 29 sfo. oakland to 28. all of these coming out of the west. concord 20. and 12 miles per hour in san jose. the winds should start to die down in the nex

kate's great grandmother elizabeth temple was shirley's aunt.bers her determination to find something better. >> it was auntie elizabeth. she wanted to go away from the northeast and she wanted to better herself, and the women of the family, have been -- how can you say this? >> driving force. >> the driving force, yes. >> so it was with elizabeth temple's daughter dorothy, kate's grandmother, perhaps the most determined of them all. 's jean harrison is another of kate's cousins and has been invited to the wedding and has clear memories of kate's great grandmother elizabeth, lily, and her grandmother, dorothy. >> lily and dorothy had one ambition in life, and that was to get on. lady dorothy, she was known as. i don't know why, but we always called her lady dorothy. >> dorothy harrison died five years ago but not before she knew her granddaughter was romancing a future king. now the family of katherine middleton who still in what was once the durham coal fields feel immense pride. >> oh, i think it's going to be wonderful. i think she'll bring a

. >> shirley povich once wrote, writing is easy, you put the paper in the typewriter and then you leave. do use input from others? tavis: i do. my life is too incomplete in many ways to rely on just my own experiences. i always start by telling the story of the mistake i made and what i learned from that, but the majority of the chapter is not really about me as much as it is about how i think as a society we have to wrestle with these issues. >> is tavis smiley on pbs? is that it, or is there more coming? tavis: i hope there is more coming. we are doing so many things every day. we have the tv show, two different radio shows, and i do a show with cornell west. i have a foundation. >> do you want to do a movie? do you want to be something we would not associate you normally with? tavis: i am comfortable here. there are a lot of things i want to do, but nothing turns me on more than being able to sit here. i am a very curious person. i love learning. >> people don't want to sit next to you on a plane? tavis: i am pretty quiet, i am usually reading on planes. i love the time sitting here

plus, russell brand joins to us talk about addiction, katy oprah: all new -- oscar winning legend shirley maclaine! have you ever seen an alien? >> you might be one for all i know! oprah: ufos -- sex -- and reincarnation. fas-cin-atin'! next "opopopopopopopopopopopopop >> closed captioning brought to you by mancini sleepworld. >>> once shunned now tanning beds have made a comeback. of course, the sun beds can also increase the risk of skin cancer. california lauers may be set to follow the lead of banning them for teenagers. >> the bright bold colors of prom season of back when tanning is often the color of choice. children in great britain are banned from using sun beds. 1 states currently have bills pending that proprose age restrictions for using commercial tanning salons. in the golden state voting could begin as soon as monday to ban those under 18. texas has a law which prohibits thousand 16 and a half. >> i call the tanning beds cancer coffins and if they only knew the real risk because the malignant melanoma kills people and it kills our younger people. >> according to the skin ca

. >> hi, i'm shirley. >> reporter: when corporate leaders meet kathy giusti they want to hear the secretess in the business of fighting cancer. 15 years ago, kathy was on the fast track in the corporate world, and happy at home with her husband and baby daughter nicole. then, a routine test found a blood cancer called multiple myeloma. >> there was absolutely no hope. and i -- i distinctly remember the doctor just holding my hand and looking me in the eye and saying, kathy, go get your life in order. you know, spend time with your family. >> reporter: doctors gave her three to four years. but she decided she had to buy time for her daughter. >> and you think to yourself, i just want her to remember me. i just want her to know that she had a mom. so my entire goal, setting out on this journey, was just to live long enough that she would remember me. >> reporter: she decided to have another baby. a son. then, using her business background, she created a start-up, the multiple myeloma research foundation, and raised over $160 million since 1998. she got normally competitive researchers to s

on the broadcast, randy hawn and drew lamenda, were playing the rolls of laverne and shirley. >> youmozle. i say sh mozle. >> the soup is spilled on him. the joys of yidic ended there. they did not make the telecast. the sharks moving on with the big win tonight. >> where was p lenny and squigg. >> oh. >>> california wouldn't be what it is today without the gold rush of the 19th century. ready for a new one? an archaeologist that auctioned off an 8.2-pound gold nugget, says there's more riches to be found. he tells us, the likelihood there's more gold there is very luckily. if you were the landowner, wouldn't you want to look? he is returning to the spot where the nugget was discovered in washington, california. he's bringing ground-penetrating radar. and business owners looking to cash in on a rush of gold, prospectors say it's the talk of the sierra. >> there's no question, obviously, that there's gold out there in them hills. it's been termed the washington nugget. and we're not sure who found it or where it was found. >> however, the geologist involved. he says he will return to

bethea: a huge change came about when mayor shirley franklin became the mayor of atlanta. we're having to choose how to spend our money. i named myself "the sewer mayor," and i wear that title very proudly, because, without wastewater infrastructure and drinking water infrastructure, the economy will stop. we did a major outreach. we trained an outreach team, who went to every community meeting, to educate people on how bad the crisis was. not only did i tell people that we'd have to raise rates, i told them we'd have to tear up the city to repair this infrastructure. man: you can't simply say, "i won't use any water, it's too expensive." we have about 25% of our population that's at or below the poverty line, so you have to look at rate structures that are tiered so the people can pay their bills. franklin: we would love to have something like 75% federal money. we do get some federal aid and we are thankful, but on the other hand, we're paying for this primarily with new rates. we have increased our rates to among the highest in america. but not nearly as much as if we h

. >> and also we have the lovely shirley strawberry who writes "the strawberry letter."wizzlers. the twist you can't resist. >>> good morning, everybody. time 9:56. a teenager in custody accused of raping a jogger. 18-year-old xavier kneel is now in the san francisco jail for allegedly raping a jogger on friday. police say he forced the victim to a grassy area behind the park away from a busy playing field near the dog run. people who use the dog run say police need to step up their patrols there. >> they generally patrol down the other side. if you come up here, the probability of something happening down there is less than it would be up here, because of the isolation factor. >> women who play soccer at the park say that they do try to avoid isolated areas and it is a reminder to keep their guard up. >>> right now, we want to check your forecast with christina. >>> good morning to you. you can take your top down and your car today. last day we are going to see the 70s. warm conditions, warm side of a front. it is going to change our weather pattern if we head through t

. >> just ahead, deepening law enforcement scandal in oprah: all new -- oscar winning legend shirleye! have you ever seen an alien? >> you might be one for all i know! oprah: ufos -- sex -- and reincarnation. fas-cin-atin'! next "opopopopopopopopopopopopop >> law enforcement scandal in central contra costa is deepening tonight. more than a dozen criminal cases have been dismissed from it. laura anthony reports. >> the credibility of the criminal justice system.... >> mark peterson said he had no choice but dismiss 15 criminal cases related to the law enforcement scandal in his county. most involved the task force commander norman wielsch. he and christopher butler face 25 counts including selling drugs taken from police evidence rooms. >> the reason these cases are being dismissed is because of the involvement of norman wielsch. >> and five task forces case and 10 prostitution cases and several drug cases. they involve a former deputy accused of participating in a dirty d.u.i. scheme. >> they have charged of accepting bribes. he attractive -- >> he is also charged with conspiracy to

. >> according to court records and family members we spoke with today, shirley garrett fought for custody of the boys when his mother died in 2002. hassanhii garrett was a public speaker back in 2005 at the groundbreaking for a community playground. >> tonight, the baltimore county man accused of killing his boys -- his girlfriend inside their apartment and then dumping her body is on trial. barry simms is live with more on the story. >> frederick christian denies killing his girlfriend, but prosecutors are trying to prove that he did it. >> plays, if anybody has any information on my daughter, please call. >> she made that desperate plea in 2009, shortly after the search for her daughter began. the 22-year-old had not shown up for work at a clothing store or enter herself on. it was march 2010 when troopers in virginia discovered her body off an exit ramp. now her live-in boyfriend, froedtert christian, is on trial for murder. foster's family -- it has been a long process. we just want justice to prevail. >> christian denies killing his girlfriend and trying to cover- up the crime. prose

those that are allegory use by women writers including those like katharine cedric and harper and shirley jackson and i could go on and on. i want to conclude my reading called she and names them. how many know this piece? my daughter. [laughter] otherwise this will be something new to you and i hope that you like it. it is set in the garden of eden and told by a rebellious the fan reflected at the time the concern our fascination of the feminist with escaping from patriarchal language that it is a language invented by men then told what we can express. and creating a new way to speak so she names them those with the perfect indifference which they had so long excepted whales and dolphins and seals and sea otters consented with great alacrity and sliding into anonymity and a faction of the ax protested and that almost everyone who knew they existed called them that. , the ubiquitous creatures such as rats and fleas have had in many games it was so redundant for a yak point* of view they never spoke of themselves. after they presented the argument that a full consensus made up of blizzard,