and the great shirley povich, as i said, goes on the right for the po for 75 years. and i'm telling you when you can shut up . but jimmy reese, what he's hit and fun goes what he's in town and he was the baby. and then you know what were burned, then you have seen the whole, you've seen grad right there. yeah. yeah. i have, you know, i, i still remember i still remember when all the president's men came out after watergate and i was doing this local show which was a big show. and in washington, d. c. then called panorama was a very doozy kind of show. and so woodward comes on and, and, and he's, but i must, might have been the 1st person ever to say, bob, how do you, how do you and call write an entire book and have nothing but anonymous sources? how do you do that? and how do you expect people to believe you and of course, that, that entered into an argument forever. but, you know, i think he is a great reporter. yeah. i really do. they were, they were literally though they could have been more for a contract. if you said that, carl, what about deep start? linda lov