joining us now, shirley watkins-bodoin, a school consultant and under secretary of agriculture for foodnutrition and consumer services in the clinton administration. darin bacxt and bill thompson, the senior agricultural reporter for "politico." if the federal government is going to put money into these lunches, doesn't it follow that it should put some control on the dollars? >> i think what happens is when you are getting feedback from people in the field that the program is simply not working, that participation is declining, there is all kinds of food waste, it does require congress to take a step back and rethink the standards that were created in 2012. so what congress is trying to do or the house is trying to do right now is simply create a waiver for one year. >> that's it. they are not even addressing the substance of the years. it's not weakening the standards in any way. the point is let's figure out working. >> what measures do you use to come to the conclusion that there are real problems with the law as written? >> well, you've got: participation, rate, decline. for more t