and they knew that there were shirley wheeler's, everywhere. >> protect shirley wheeler, protect shirleyt shirley wheeler! >> what do you hope people who are hearing about shirley's for the first time, what do you hope they take away from it? >> that it could happen today. that it is happening today! >> that was more from episode one of slow burn: roe v. wade, the podcast. dreamy how is the producer of slow burn, and director at slate, and the cofounder of aclu women's rights project, cofounder of the women's political caucus and author of, not one of the boys: living life as a feminist. thank you for joining, ladies. susan, i want to talk to you at the first season of slow burn. it focuses specifically on the years leading up to roe v. wade. what do you see between that preflight of roe, and what we are seeing now? >> the thing people talk about, is the main difference between what we are dealing with now and dealing with then. it is just the fact that abortion is really change the game in a lot of ways. that will be one of the main differences. but also, i want to talk with the similar

so i heard about shirley wheeler's story very briefly.ikipedia in and so when i started looking into it, i learned so much more about her that made me want to start the season with her story. one of those things is that she had a really hard life leading up to what happened with this prosecution. she had a baby and she had health problems afterwards which is why she couldn't continue with the pregnancy, but the other thing i learned about shirley that made me compelled by her story is that even after all those things happened to her, she refused to tell. she didn't cooperate with the cops. wouldn't tell them who had given her the abortion and i thought that was strong and powerful. >> so the podcast take us back the pre roe v. wade america. to a time where you describe what women and girls went through in the 1960s to get an abortion in states where it was illegal. take a listen. >> pat had been referred to a nurse who performed the procedure in a dark apartment. as far as pat knew, the woman put a clamp on her uterus. she was then sent h

her name was shirley wheeler, for having an abortion.an you tell us when you did this, what does this case perhaps tell us about our potential future? >> yeah, i think the really interesting thing here is shirley wheeler was i think 22 years old when she was in daytona beach, florida, in 1970. she was pregnant. she had already had one pregnancy, and she had really severe health problems, and she needed to have an abortion. and so she got an illegal abortion, and it was definitely illegal in the state of florida. but it was basically up to the discretion of the local prosecutor to charge her. and she was actually put in jail for four days before they actually set a trial date for her. and she had a trial in front of a six-person jury who found her guilty of manslaughter simply for having an illegal abortion. and when i think about what people say now about what's going to happen in this situation, the thing that really worries me is that it doesn't necessarily matter what the federal level is saying about this anymore. it's really going t