my experience in the mission was we had several individuals who lived on shotwell street and their stay away orders were to stay away from 16th and mission and 24th and mission. and there are specific areas, other stay away orders are specific to wall greens you can't go to wall greens at certain times. the stay away orders some are specific, hal day plaza, un plaza. those type of things. i would like to make a comment on the youth question. we have a lot of gangs in san francisco. and i want you to think about how the gang operate and how they develop. a lot of them are in public housing. a child is born in public housing and go to school ki, wh they reach 13 they are considered solders and stuck in their 2 square block area. if they move out of there they are a target. and they are also expected to defend their area. they do not, their education suffers. their ability to get a job suffers. when we talk about bringing serves and breaking up the cycles that's what we are talking about is breaking up the cycles. but also getting involved in the pta it really brings resources networking r