heath shuler is one of them.m are liberals and most of them back nancy pelosi. >> shepard: the thinking some of these moderates could side with republicans on issues? >> i don't think we are seeing that necessarily, shep. it's interesting that some of the outgoing moderates like walt minnick one of the most conservatives in the house voted against cap and trade and health care he was still excoreiated for being associated with nancy pelosi. he says the democratic party would be better off if they picked a new leader. >> ed pergram our producer at the house of representatives on capitol hill. chad, thank you very much. >> any time. >> shepard: and on this day in 1867, inventor edward callahan unveiled the first stock ticker in norntion and soon revolutionized the new york stock exchange. before that ticker exchange workers sent stock prices via messenger. now buyers and traders could sell close to realtime and it was

shuler has to say. what do you think of it, congressman clyburn?l, joe, thank you so much for having me this morning. i agree with my good friend, heath shuler, that we have to have a big tent. and that's exactly what we have in our party. and i would hope that our party would be going forward with this big tent. i don't want us shrinking the tent insofar as our various caucuses are concerned. we're dealing with less numbers among the blue dog coalition, growing numbers in the congressional black caucus, about the same in the congressional hispanic caucus. but we are dealing with issues now where our new dems are very concerned about what kind of trade policy we're going to have going forward, and there are others who will not like to see any trade policies. so all of these issues must be discussed under this big tent. and i do believe that there's much too much noise that's being made about the leadership team. we all know what happened this past year. we had -- >> congressman -- >> -- an economy -- yes? >> i just wanted to jump in here and say, f

heath shuler really represents a minority of the caucus. the blue dogs. a shrinking part of the caucus. i hear plenty of gripes, line quotes, anonymous house democrats that don't want to see nancy pelosi come back, but they admit they're going to vote for her. >> they're counting votes. they're going to say, if i'm going to lose, what's the point of coming out and saying i'm going to disagree with our minority leader. we need people in our leadership position who do not mind being disagreed with and who invite that. we haven't had that for a while. i wish we would. >> i want to mention, president obama came back to the back of air force one before it landed yesterday. the audio's terrible. so i'm going read you the quote. he said -- you know, you came in, you've seen both sides of this. you came in in '98. a year of republicans overreaching. you saw republicans then do overreach in '05 and '06. they lose the majority cht did democrats overreach? >> i think so. number one priority was jobs and two, jobs, if we were going to do health care, we should have d

keith shuler, fiscally moderate so-called blue dogs said he would challenge pelosi for minority leader. she's widely believed to have the vote locked up in advance of the leadership election. pelosi wants to keep the same leadership team in the minority. but when you lose gavel you are also supposed to lose seat at leadership table so she has to create a new one. for south carolina democrat jim clyburn she began acuring to him as the assistant leader. he had been the top vote-counter, whip in the senate majority. that job technically now goes to steny hoyer because of seniority. so pelosi's reference as the assistant leader leaves some question about the struggle for power between those two. technically, clyburn will answer only to pelosi and in the words of one senior aide, it may be darwinian survival of the fittest to see who prevails in the leadership structure. >> bret: carl, where does the ban on earmarks stand tonight? >> reporter: there will be a meeting tomorrow for republicans behind closed doors where they take informal vote on support for the two-year moratorium. after that

. >> steve centanni is in washington, what's motivating heath shuler? >> reporter: the big election lerks returns, he feels there needs to be changes on capitol hill, shuler saying he's making good on his promise to challenge nancy pelosi, said he had a good relationship with her all along and said wee be direct with her and she needs someone to tell her she shouldn't run and just what she thinks she wants to hear. >> 54 percent of the democrats in this country feel we should move in a moderate deks so i'm representing -- direction so i'm represent thank portion of the party and the entire party to move our country forward and move our party forward, but it's a principle thing. i mean, when you say you're going to do something, you stand behind what you say and i said he would contest this race and i will. >> it's largely symbolic, shuler saying bms need a bigger tent, more moderates, not just a liberal base that pelosi represents bill. bill: what is likely to happen here? >> reporter: as i said, shuler's challenge to pell palestinian is basically symbo

martha: we're watching the situation with heath shuler of north carolina. to take nancy pelosi's job and we have tape of him walking in. look at this: >> congressman shuler. ... for today? >> hopefully we'll get the votes today. martha: former football player says simply, hopeful we'll get some votes today. it's an uphill battle, for shuler but he has gotten a lot of attention, saying he thinks democrats need to go in a slightly different direction than nancy pelosi has taken them and believes he's the man to do the job. we'll see what happens. bill: this is going on, too, the man in charge of medicare and medicaid and faces questions on the hill for the first time. the latest on what could become a fiery senate hearing in moments, a live look there. martha: wait until you see some of this video from mexico. there is a bloody war going on, and is a lot closer than iraq and afghanistan. the man behind the shocking inside look -- and this is dangerous to get the video, folks -- at our southern border, joins us next. >> you spoke in english. he just kept on ru

>> heath shuler at tennessee, oh, my goodness. >> oh, no, no, no, no, i'll yield the floor to the gentleman from columbia, who was the sports aficionado. >> i'll go with carter of penn state. >> well, nice try. but you're wrong. this is so unfair. >> who was it? >> the answer is florida state quarterback charlie ward. >> charlie ward! >> plays nba basketball for the new york knicks and drafted by two major league teams. >> he's an amazing athlete. an amazing basketball player. i believe he's a preacher right now, charlie ward. he's a good guy. >> we'll leave the trivia side. and thank you for your knowledge of the house and senate respectively. thanks, guys. >>> coming up, a murder mystery unraveled in los angeles. a hollywood community reeling after a publicist to the stars was shot dead in her car on sun set boulevard. police believe it was not random. this murder was planned well in advance. we'll get the latest on that investigation. >>> but, first, the white house scoop of the day, if chuck were here, he would probably say th

blue dog democrat heath shuler is challenging her for minority leader though he admitted on "morning joe" he won't win. >> it is a long shot. this is a long shot to even come close. i mean, i can add and subtract and realize quickly there's no way i can win, but i'm going to take a stance for every moderate democrat in america. >> brian, kelly, steve, all here. what does nancy pelosi have to do if she's going to be effective. >> i'm contributor to loop 21. only thing to be effective is to step aside. one of the things that came out of the midterms when you democrats who are trying to run for office and running against nancy pelosi, just as much as they're being forced to run against the republican in the race, that shows she's a polarizing figure, and i think it's -- there are a variety of reasons why she might be perceived as polarizing. but reality of the matter she is. the president used that analogy so much about the republicans were driving the car and now asking for their keys back, and it's like, if nancy pelosi was driving the car, during midterms and the car crashed, you kno

meanwhile, the news this morning is that congressman heath shuler mounting a challenge to nancy pelosis likely announce today and trust far, he will challenge her and today he may announce that he is in fact doing that. >> he spent two years in the nfl and dave likes to point out how many interceptions he's had. >> 33. >> and using this as a bit of a rallying cry. look in football if you're a terrible player they benched me and that's the illusion he's drawing, they lost and got killed in the mid trm elections, maybe they need to bench her. >> the analogy he's going to get used to, is losing once again and a battle he probably cannot win. heath shuler from north carolina has not announced one of the blue dog conservative candidates, but it's believed he will run against her between 14 and 18 democrats have come out and publicly spoken out against nancy pelosi. i think you said, clayton, 14 plan to vote against her. >> yeah. >> when it's brought up. >> and then other, in news max reporting 18 so there's a number of different people and people keeping their mouths shut this morning as we

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congressman keith shuler is challenging pelosi for the spot but does he have the support to topple her? we'll talk about that ahead. >>> so much going on today, so much news and harris is watching our live chat, a lot of buzz on that chat today harris? >> reporter: there is, and apparently earmarks, it's a flashpoint with our live chatters. by the way, everyone can quet get involved, go to foxnews.com, click on jon and jenna's beautiful picture, that will take you to the "happening now" page, you can look for the section, about midway down our page and get in on the live chat. daniel writes earmarks? call them what they are. wasteful excess government spending. very, very strong opinions about earmarks. but also, some strong opinions about whether or not congress will actually do anything about earmarks. get in on the conversation. america is asking. for any interview thaw might see, you can always ask, and you know jenna and jon, they usually do, they don't just wait for a special occasion like a town hall or hot seat guest, they keep the questions coming and everybody loves that. ame

that is, heath shuler doesn't have the votes and basically acknowledges that he doesn't have the votese there is a threat is if this battle drags on and there become as consensus, like, wait a minute. we like nancy pelosi, but this is just not good for party and people encouraging her to reconsider her position to remain as leader of the democrats. at the moment, she seems secure. >> does this, though, force her to play more to the liberal base and be more resistant to any compromises on the big issues coming up, such as the tax cuts? >> well, there's no question, andrea, that that is her base in the house. it's the liberals. there's more of them proportionately that that base is stronger than before the election, because as you know, so many of the moderate democrat, the so-called blue dogs and what have you, those people are precisely the ones that got beat in the november 2nd elections. yes, she's orienting this leadership battle around the liberals. i believe the reason liberals want her they show she's going it fight for them. if there's efforts by the obama white house to encoura

north carolina representative heath shuler, a member of the blue dog coalition atestimonied to challenge minority position if she does decide to run. >> more to get to here. coming up a warning from michael finney. yu shouldn't file for preholiday sales. >> also, pictures from launched years ago being transmitted back to earth. >> and here on earth, mild weather is going hang on just a little bit longer the rain coming in this weekend. we'll talk about that coming up. >> and from phantom to painter. why the actor who had the longest run infant yom of the opera is not quitting >> closed captioning brought to you by mancini sleepworld. >>> look at that. a passenger shot this video of tapeor on a flight from singapore to sydney there. is a tense 95 minutes as pilots dumped fuel before making an emergency landing. all of the 459 passengers and crew were able to leave that double deck craft safely. parts of the engine and cover rained down on a thickly populated indonesian island knox injuries were reported, quantitias ground the fleet until experts figure out what caused the failure. >> and

congressman pete shuler is a blue dog democrat from north carolina. his bid to replace nancy pelosi as party leader was defeated in a 150-43 vote by secret ballot. >> hello, everyone. today we obviously had our votes. it came up as much as we expected. it was not about winning the race but it was about having a voice within our caucus. i want to thank my members behind me and you have supported me, jim, mike have done an unbelievable job in our blue dog caucus and lowry, an incredible number in north carolina and appreciate what you guys have done to support me. it was not about winning or losing this race, it was about making a difference in our caucus, to ensure that the moderates are heard within the caucus and that we have a seat at the table. that is what most of america would ask that our call this move in that direction. we have seen the latest data that is come out and we have to be able to come -- to indicate to the american people in order to win back the election in 2012. and with have to be a big part of that >> [inaudible] >> to get that

nancy pelosi will remain top democrat in the how fast representatives, outdistancing moderate heath shuler of north carolina. to win election as minority leader. the victory came in secret ballotting during a lengthy closed dr door gathering. >> proud to be part of the team. our consensus is that this is about jobs and reducing did he have it and fighting for middle class. >> some democrats wanted pelosi replaced seeing her as partly responsible for rbi republican sweeps of power. and republicans elected ohio's john boehner as speaker of the house. >> president obama honored a team from intel with national medals of science and technology. and he was given a national medal of technology award went to a he three-person team from intel. designing first micro processor which is the universal building block of electrickics. >> and we have more ahead. a new jersey pastor wants to add thou shalt not facebook to commandments and not so funny comedy spoof of a murder at yale. >> i'm sandhya patel. it's going to look, and feel like winter here in the bay area this weekend. i'll show when you first

i think a lot of the more responsible democrats like heath shuler, the only one really challenging her, they understand that the dynamics have really changed here, they understand that the majority of americans don't agree with what they've done over the last 2-4 years, as they've controlled the congress and that changes need to be made. she doesn't agree and think that's going to be to the detriment of the democratic party. shannon: do you think she is surprised about what happened in that meeting, which we understand got contentious, the fact that a guy like heath shuler is publicly taking her on, do you think she's surprised that she's facing these challenges? >> i think she's a little jarred by it. look, she came out of the baltimore machine, her father is a baltimore machine politician, so she's tough as nails but not used to having her authority challenged. having her authority by folks who have been foot soldiers for a long time, i think that was probably shocking to her, but don't underestimate her, she's a real fiert and might pull this off today. shannon: she does get a lot d

heath shuler is from north carolina. his bid was defeated in a 150-43 vote by secret ballot. >> hello, everyone. today we obviously had our vote. it came out pretty much as we expected, as i have said before. i wasn't about winning the race but it was about having a voice within our caucus. i want to thank the members that are behind me who that supported me. jim, mike. have done an unbelievable job. and larry, an incredible member from north carolina, i appreciate so much what you guys have done to support me, but it wasn't about winning or losing this race but about truly making a difference within our caucus to ensure that the moderates are heard within our caucus and that we have a seat at the table. i think that is what most americans would ask, that our caucus move in that direction. we have seen the latest polls that co-v come out and we have to be able to communicate with the american people to win back the election in 2012. we had to be a big part of that. i certainly hope so. to be able to, you know, to get tha

pelosi beat out conservative democrat heath shuler of north carolina, who had been arguing over the lastouple of weeks that policey had alienated shorts -- pelosi had alienated voters and had become a liability for democrats going forward. after the vote, the outgoing speaker said she is willing to work with republicans. >> the message we received from the american people is that they want a job. they want jobs. 9.5% unemployment is a very tough screen to get through with any other message. i would say to the american people we extend the hand of friendship to the republicans. we look forward to hearing their ideas on job creation and deficit reduction. >> nbc's luke russert also caught up with pelosi to ask her about her rather dismal approval ratings. >> madam speaker, over 60 house democrats lost this cycle. your positive ratings in the poll stands at 8% y. are you the best person to lead the democrats? >> let me put that in perspective. how would your ratings be if $75 million were spent against you? because i'm an effective leader, because we got the job done on health care and wall

of north carolina who won 43 votes, shuler saying this was not about winning or losing, but to assure the moderates we're heard 57bd we get a seat at the table but there are fewer moderates because and pelosi's liberal backers won the day. martha: we're going to talk more about that coming up later in the show. what about the republican side of the house, steve, in terms of leadership there? >> well, very quickly, as expected, john boehner of ohio won the top spot, assuring he will be the next speaker of the house in january when this new congress, the 112th congress, is sworn in. the ohio democrat has been the house minority leader, as you know, and will become the nation's 61st speaker of the house on his 61st birthday. congressman eric cantor of virginia was also chosen to be minority leader, -- he was chosen to be the majority leader in the next congress, kevin mccarthy will be the republican whip, jeb hensarling of texas is conference chairman, this is the job michelle bachmann was going after, happying -- hoping to bring a tea party voice to the leadership but that was turned as

you're my kind of democrat, baby. >> congressman shuler, thank you very much. on the alaskan senate race. >>> plus, a special edition of business before the bell international superstar erin burnett joins us live from dubai. amazing. but first, here's bill karins with a quick check on the forecast. bill? >> i'm lucky to get to sit here at the desk. good morning, everyone. we've been watching the foggy conditions at philadelphia and d.c. airport delays aren't too bad. philly, 15 to 30 minute delays and no delays at reagan or dulles. we have rainy conditions out there, mostly in the southeast. i've hard reports of drizzle in jersey and connecticut, but mostly cloudy today, temperatures in the 50s. heavy rain from atlanta to new orleans. thunderstorms in the southeast. those waking up on the west coast, enjoy that gorgeous weather. l.a., 77, san diego, 80 and sunny. you're watching "morning joe," brewed by starbucks. guarantee me the best deal on my refinance loan, or pay me $1,000? that would be nice, not getting swindled. um...where are we? don't just think abou

order to get reelected there even folks who promised not to vote for speaker most recently heath shuler from north carolina so democrats are trying to move towards where the tea party people are but it's very difficult when you've been voting for these things and when your leadership has been sort of the the focus of the anger from all these folks so i think it's the issues that people are concerned about that make it hard for democrats to appeal to them but that doesn't mean that the tea party people are genuinely concerned about issues they are ok peter and you want to jump in there in orlando go ahead. well i mean the notion that they're not a partisan movement is ridiculous they're just before it's only republican but so what i mean the notion that they're being funded by a conservative backer you know how how much that place really doesn't matter what matters is how the votes come out and you can argue that they're getting money from this guy or that guy well you know obama shattered fundraising numbers in two thousand and eight and got money from all over the place it doesn't matt

the few who remain, shuler, congressman from north carolina, reasonable, horrified by nancy pelosi. > the most liberal than it could be. the democrats in arkansas you're familiar with. they are all gone. retired or left in a body bag after election day. mississippi, georgia, west virginia, ohio. it was a slaughter. they say why do i elect a democrat to beg, plead and convince them to vote against card check and tax cuts when you can elect a republican and save the half million dollars of pressure. >> the election happens and the president takes a road trip and goes abroad and met with falling reception. "new york times" today says he took the economic program to the rest of the world devout socialist said sorry, you're too much of a socialist for us. >> i was in france a year ago and i was amazed. french ceos were lecturing me about the dangers of socialism. asking what are your americans thinking? it's bizarre. >> sad to have lived to see the day. >> yeah. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> don't go anywhere. the great american panel up next. aren't you sick of these airline credit cards

host: would you like to see representative shuler from north carolina to become the leader?st: i am backing him. he says he does something he will get the votes. i am holding of hopes that others will join. i think he is a fellow blue dog and has the courage to stand up for his convictions. we need to move in a new direction. we are not where we need to be. in to 12 -- in 2012, how you go to our district and say we need to elect nancy pelosi as speaker. that is not where the country is right now. host: let us hear from mike in independent college in iowa. caller: it morning. good thing you are going against nancy pelosi. a fox news poll which is the most independent network fare is -- there is. we do not want health care. if you want to reform it, go across certain lines. it is not your right to demand what we buy in america. guest: great question. i voted against the health care bill. i was one of over 40 democrats that voted against it. i thought it was too large. the way that it was passed, the deals that were done, it really turned off the american public. i think the pr

here are some remarks by congressman shuler from earlier today. >> hello, everyone. today we obviously had our vote. it came out pretty much as we expected, as i'd said before. but i think it wasn't about winning the race but it was about having a voice within our caucus. i want to thank my members that are behind me and who have supported me, jim, mike have done an unbelievable job within our blue dog caucus and, larry, an incredible member from north carolina and i appreciate what you -- what you have done to support me. it wasn't about winning or losing this race. it was about making a difference within our caucus. to ensure that the moderates are heard within the caucus and that we have a seat at the table. and i think that's what most of america would ask, that our caucus move in that direction. we've seen all the polls, the latest data that has come out and we have to be able to communicate to the american people in order to win back the election in 2012 and when he to be a big part of that -- and we have to be a big part that have. i certainly hope so. to be a

if nobody else steps up to challenge nancy pelosi, than shuler will.lenge her. does this mean that nancy pelosi is threatened? does it mean she's perhaps going to get toppled? the answer to that seems to be no. in fact, shuler says moments ago he said it doesn't look like this is a battle that he can actually win. unless, he said, some of his fellow conservatives and others beyond the shrunken conservative caucus go along with him and say it's time for new leadership and nancy pelosi is not that person right now. second, on the other side of the capitol, both the republicans and democrats have settled on their new leadership in the united states senate. they both -- both of those teams came out and talked to us about an hour ago about the fact that they had both reelected virtually the same teams, not a lot of drama there. one interesting note on the democratic side, though, tony, is that chuck schumer has a new post, in charge of messaging and communications for the senate democrats. very interesting there. and then harry reid made a point coming out

i voted for heath shuler of north carolina, a more conservative democrat. i will vote on the floor for a more conservative democrat than nancy pelosi. >> let me ask you, from the outside looking in here is a party that got drubbed in the election, lost more than 60 seats and holds on to the same leadership. it seems as if the party is tone deaf. >> i agree with you. the problem is we only had 43 votes. i think most americans would agree there needed to be changes but unfortunately, they didn't have those votes. there were over -- there are 150 democrats who voted to stay with the same leadership. but what i'm going to try to do is move forward, see if the president, frankly again, back to the president. he's got to move to the middle. he is way off on the left flank, frankly i can tell you from oklahoma he is. he's got to get to the middle. is he going to be bill clinton or jimmy carter? is he going to be a one-term president or two-term president? >> would you go so far as to say it was selfish for those who maintained leadership positions not to stand dow

san francisco's nancy pelosi easily outdistanced moderate heath shuler 150-43 to win election 80s minorityhe house. the victory came in secret balloting during a lengthy closed door gathering on capitol hill. pelosi bristled when asked why she thinks she is the best person to lead house democrats considering her low approval ratings. >> how would your ratings be if $75 million were spent against you? because i'm an effective leader because we got the job done on healthcare and wall street reform and consumer protections the list goes on. >> some democrats wanted pelosi replaced, seeing her as partly responsible at least for the republican sweep to power in the election two weeks guy. as expected, republicans elected ohio's john boehner and speaker of the house to replace pelosi in the position. >>> the results of last night's dancing with the stars has many people shaking their heads and wondering how to could happen. one of the highest scoring performers voted off and one of the lowest kept on. even fellow contestants are stunned. here is linsey davis. >> brandy got high praise for her hi

but there was a very overt attempt to not only postpone it but opponent against her heath shuler froma who said he was going to run on the campaign trail and did. nancy pelosi even critics acknowledged she knows how to count noses. >> bill: no doubt in anybody's minds she is going to maintain power base. i did a radio commentary today that said the reason that is going to happen is because people are afraid of nancy pelosi. there was a song alley-oop a long time ago. she is a mean motor scooter. am i wrong? am i wrong? >> listen, what the democrats will tell you is that there are moderates and centrists and large numbers were defeated. what's been left is a more liberal and smaller democratic conference. and as a consequence those liberals, some of them before prefer to be called progressives like pelosi that she fits better. >> bill: rosen, do you think democrats fear nancy pelosi? >> well, they have some good reasons to fear nancy pelosi because money matters in politics. and nancy pelosi, outside of president obama himself, is the most accomplished fundraiser the democrats have. sh

without a fight voting by secret ballot, 43 of her colleagues backed north carolina congressman heath shulernew minority lead sgler by the way, her ratings didn't improve in the new nbc/"wall street journal" poll. what respond enters said to us it's time to hit the reset button. it's what they're telling us now in this new poll. >> while americans say they want to cut government's red ink. it turns out they don't want to make sacrifices necessarily to get it down. we're joined by our poll centers. let's s.t.a.r.t. with this meta question which was, all right, folks, do you think this next year, will it be about division or unity. bill, i can't say this result surprised me. >> no. people know that there's going to be conflict in washington. they presume this is going to be -- >> they voted for conflict in some sense. >> that's right. 60% said they're happy we have divided government. that's what the american people want. they want republicans to keep an eye on democrats. they want the president to keep an eye on republicans and us to slug it out. they're expecting conflict. >> alan, another q

could win as minority leader so from that point you have not seen people to step up and it look like shuler will but that will be a tough challenge. but i will support him if he makes that run. and i think on the tax cuts, the people that are remaining, the current congress, the 111th congress, the folks who would be on policy in numbers, sympathetic because of what we talked about earlier to extending all of the tax cuts. it certainly is not going to get better in the next congress and she knows that. she will have to make a decision on whether to call for that vote. >>neil: well, your office will be a closet, but enjoy the view. i am kidding. kidding. >>guest: you may not be kidding. >>neil: thank you, congressman. the president today calling it is as make to make the tax cuts people for the wealthy saying we cannot afford it. and tom coburn wonders why supporting anything is an issue for the big guy. the deficit, a new found religion leading with the president what do you make of that? >>guest: well, i am not going to comment on what there are general any come lately or not but the fact

you go over to that house democratic caucus and see them -- heath shuler. >> bill: they are running forover now but they all will rally around president obama in 12, believe me. now, was i too tough for pushing the president there? >> look, you were respectfully pugnacious as you oftentimes are. now i noticed one interesting thing about the interview which is you started off strong, interrupted him twice, as is your want. he responded and i added them up. you interrupted him 17 times but he interrupted you 16 times. >> bill: so it was fair. fair and balanced. >> man owe man o even balance there. >> bill: my interview isn't an interview. it's a dialogue. >> conversation, absolutely. >> bill: not a debate. we are not debating an issue. this is why interviews are outmoded. you ask somebody like you a question and you let you say whatever you want. you may not want to answer the question. you may be over here or over there. you may be boring, you may be bloviating. i don't do that here. we pull you back where we think you need to be. >> what is this godfather we pull balk in? >> bill: just

. >> now the alternative the man who ran against him protest candidate heath shuler of north carolinaot more than 40 votes of democrats who all believe that nancy pelosi needs to go and ultimately was too liberal. that was essentially his message afterwards. >> it was a message from the standpoint that there are more than just the blue dogs who have a concern with what is going on. and that message has been loud and clear. >> not a message that seems to have gotten through to the democratic leadership. they are all reelected and marching forward. in this lame duck session there is lot of work to be done and not a sign of progress towards a lot of their goals. >> shepard: not at all. nancy pelosi has created a new leadership position for the highest ranking african-american in congress jim clyburn. is he now the majority whip. so it's a lot of inside baseball but what is this new assistant leader position entail. >> clyburn has not described what his portfolio will include. pelosi hasn't said exactly what he will do. he is the dean of the congressional black caucus and the most senior

. >> but 43 democrats backed protest candidate heath shuler a north carolina moderate who deemed pelosi too extreme. >> there are more than just the blue dogs who have a concern with what is going on. and that message has been loud and clear. >> as expected, the number two job went to maryland democrat steny hoyer who was uncontested. pelosi created a new post of assistant leader to keep the dean of the congressional black caucus james clyburn at south carolina at her leadership table. among republicans on 61st birthday john boehner was recapped g.o.p. leader all but making him speaker. eric cantor will be majority leader. kevin mccarthy will be the number three vote counting whip. two members of the incoming freshman class kristi noem and tim scott tapped as leaders to the leadership team. house and the senate republicans and democrats have leadership teams in place for next year. but this year they still have to pass legislation to keep the government operating and to deal with the expiration of the bush era tax cuts. there is no sign of any progress or any date to do that before than

to work out their problems but there are still some unanswered questions, so we'll talk to heath shuler about that. pretty full show. >> they had to essentially create a position possibly for one member to stay in the leadership. joe johns talking about that, really good to see you this morning. i rarely get to do tv with you but good to see you. >> you too and the next time you take a camera to the doctor's office, just let me know, because i'll be tuned in. >> all right. we appreciate you. joe, thanks so much. you can see joe coming up at the top of the hour. joe john for "state of the union" starts 9:00 eastern time right here on cnn. make sure you check him out. ♪ [ female announcer ] yoplait's real fruit and the goodness of dairy... gives you a little slice of happy. and happiness comes in 25 delicious flavors. explore them all. yoplait. it is so good. now the yoplait you love in a new four pack. try it today. you need to do the preventative things that you need to do for your heart health. for me, it means an aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor befor

she easily turned back a challenge by congressman heath shuler, a moderate from north carolina. pelosi was a target for republican criticism in the mid-term elections, but she said democrats looked beyond her low poll ratings. >> they know that i am the person that can attract the resources both intellectual and otherwise to take us to victory because i have done it before. and so again, you take 9.5% unemployment, you burn a dollar bill, $75 million spent against one person, and i'd like to see what your ratings would be. >> holman: house democrats also kept steny hoyer of maryland in the number two party post. jim clyburn of south carolina kept the number three position, with the new title of assistant leader. on the republican side, john boehner of ohio was re- elected as leader. he'll become speaker in the new congress. alaska senator lisa murkowski was declared the winner today in her re-election bid. she ran as a write-in candidate after losing the republican nomination in a primary. a two-week count of write-in ballots gave her a lead of more than 10,000 votes. murkowski