and sidey had come to the office. so i went into nixon's office, i sat down with mr. sidey and we had a very lovely, brief conversation, and nixon exited the door, went home in the limousine and was ready to greet mr. sidey at the residence. c-span: now what was going through your head at this point? this is a man that everybody in the world knows, hiding in the mail room? what were you thinking when you saw that? >> guest: i thought it was an unbelievable episode, and i couldn't believe that i was actually a witness and a participant in it. but then i came to realize that, well, maybe there was something to this, that there was an image that nixon had to protect. he wasn't a casual man. and he was simply -- he was being himself. that's who nixon was, that he wanted to preserve a measure of decorum in his conversations with people. c-span: the perot story -- he came to see him in the '92 campaign. >> guest: yes. yes, he did. c-span: he kept him waiting a little bit. >> guest: yes. actually, ross perot had done some me