tracy, what do you need russian election meddlers for when you have sidney powell? i know we're thinking about the domestically, the impact that this has but really we have just gave russian disinformation trolls the blueprint to how we conduct elections and how votes are counted here in the u.s. there was an excellent movie about a decade ago that came out called "hacking democracy," and it was all about sort of what happened -- >> i saw it. >> yeah. and it was all about if americans got their hands on this. but i think, really, we know that russians have been trying to infiltrate our elections and change the narrative now for at least the past two election cycles, and we just really handed it to them on a silver platter now. >> what do we do? i mean, how do we bring all of our intelligence assets to bear to protect our own country here? >> so, i think, truly, the only thing that we can do, and i know that this sounds, you know, a little grand, is we really need to change our election system now. we don't have any other choice. simply because now it's out there. th

they are now seeking testimony from mark meadows and sidney powell, what does that signal to you in termsf the crescendo of this investigation? >> i think it is a, as you pointed out, this level of people that they're speaking to, that rudy giuliani, mark meadow, sidney powell, to me, those are all sort of the key people that we've heard about, people who were involved in the phone calls, plural, to raffensperger, to put pressure on him, to find just enough votes for donald trump to have won georgia. those are the key people to be trying to speak to, we know that they certainly have a very active grand jury investigation, and they are doing pretty well in the courts in getting those enforced. so to me, this shows that this is really not a sort of insippent budding investigation, i think we're coming down to the homestretch. >> not a budding investigation indeed. andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and former senior mib of special counsel robert mueller's investigative team, always full of wisdom and educated guesses. thanks for your time tonight, andrew. >> nice to be here. >>> w

he likes sidney powell.l is facing many civil lawsuits because of her conduct with the former president. so the kinds of pressures that you're put under, if you're representing somebody like donald trump, are ones that if you're at the top of your field, you really can think to yourself, i don't need this. >> all right. ken dilanian, thanks. andrew wiseman, our thanks to you. but you'll stay with us. >>> this morning, rudy giuliani is appearing before the georgia grand jury on interference in the 2020 election. we'll have the latest from outside the court. >>> and tomorrow, longtype trump executive allen weisselberg is expected to plead guilty in a tax case tied to the trump organization's business dealings. what it means for the larger investigation, next. what it means for the larger investigation, next. some people can get it bad. and for those who do get it bad, it may be because they have a high-risk factor - such as heart disease, diabetes, being overweight, asthma, or smoking. even if symptoms feel mi

better life. >>> in georgia, former white house chief of staff mark meadows and sidney powell, fulton county district attorney filed requests for testimony from the two, the trump campaign and others in the multi-state coordinated efforts to influence the election results in georgia. the superior court in folsom county directed meadows and powell to appear before the special purpose grand jury next month. nbc news has reached out to powell and the attorney for meadows for comment of the two are among the highest profile members of trump's circle to be summoned to testify in the probe. joining other top figures including trump lawyer rudy giuliani, and republican senator lindsey graham of south carolina. also on thursday, lawyers for georgia governor brian kemp tried to quash a subpoena by telling the court that the republican should not have to testify before the special grand jury investigating attempts to influence the 2020 election. during the hearing, kemp's lawyers argued that he's protected from having to testify by the prips approximately of sovereign immunity. prosecutors argu

"the washington post" said trump lawyers including sidney powell directed a forensic data firm to access data in at least three battleground states, nevada, michigan and georgia. improper voting equipment breaches are being investigated in two of those states. powell hasn't responded to requests for comments. >>> rudy giuliani is responding to his status as a target in georgia's criminal investigation in the 2020 election. the state is looking into possible illegal attempts to overturn the results. in december 2020, giuliani appeared before a legislative committee in georgia and spread false claims of fraud in atlanta's fulton county. now he claims his statements should be covered under attorney-clint privilege. >> giuliani is now set to testify before a special grand jury, though he's expected to claim attorney-client privilege when this happens on wednesday if he's asked about donald trump. >> our cecilia vega, thank you. while defending himself yesterday, he also claimed that atlanta, quote, is a city known well for its corruption. >>> senator lindsey graham said he'll appeal a federa

in the filings, she said that, essentially, hearing from sidney powell and mark meadows could possiblyther people she'd want to hear from in the future, as well. it is clear this isn't the end of the folks she wants to call in. we can likely see some more high-profile individuals. in fact, when i asked her, she said she's not ruling out members of trump's family. she's not ruling out white house officials and certainly not ruling out calling the president himself to come down to georgia to testify, as well, willie. >> nbc's blayne alexander all over this story in georgia for us. thanks so much. great to see you. >>> andrew, we hear people trying to get a window into the thinking of donald trump in georgia around january 6th and around the election. well, that window was provided on january 2nd, 2021, when he made a phone call, recorded by the secretary of state, where he asked brad raffensperger to find the votes to flip the state for him. >> absolutely. one sign that this is really reaching a crescendo is, as you note, the level of people who are now being called in. you can be sure t

the sunda lawyer, sidney powell, for years has pushed the false narrative of massive fraud in the 2020esidential election. >> is been organized and conducted with the help of silicon valley people. the big tech companies, social media companies and the media companies. i am going to release the crack. >> reporter: she was part of the elite strike first. a team of lawyers rooting out election frustrate the falsely accused dominion voting system of helping orchestrate the alleged fraud by using the algorithm and their machines to flip votes from trump to joe biden. she was pressed to provide preuss proof. select what you have in your case was a bunch of dodgy affidavits that do not add up. you have a group of people with dubious credentials. >> that is your characterizations. that is yours. >> so far you have provided no evidence for his two you might as well be working for dominion. >> reporter: she is now suing. giuliani made so many false claims about florida, georgia, and pennsylvania verse two dead people voted. over 300,000 ballots were counted in mexico. we met in new york court s

special counsel was ultimately sanctioned by a federal court and sued by dominion voting system >> sidney powell argued that no statements lawsuit, sydney powell argued that, quote, no reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact. not long after sydney powell, general flynn, and rudy giuliani left the white house in the early hours of the morning, president trump turned away from both his outside advisers most outlandish and workable schemes and his white house counsel's advice to swallow hard and accept the reality of his loss. instead, donald trump issued a tweet that would galvanize his followers and unleash a political firestorm and change the course of our history we, as a country. trump's purpose was to mobilize a crowd. how do you mobilize a crowd in 2020? with millions of followers on twitter, president trump knew exactly how to do it. at 1:42 am, on december 19, 2020, shortly after the last participants left the unhinged meeting, trump sent out the tweet with his explosive invitation. trump repeated his big lie and claimed it was, quote, statistical

sidney powell or all these other people, that's a lifestyle decision. >> he has taken the party over,hat is very true, in terms of the money and everything else. >> i do want to play this from liz cheney, she lost her race this week, making it clear in her mind what the stakes are. >> we must be clear eyed about the threat we face and what is required to defeat it. i have said since january 6th that i will do whatever it takes to ensure donald trump is never again anywhere near the oval office, and i mean it. >> that's a pretty bold statement, considering where we are. i mean, what do you think the chances are that she could succeed? >> it's a much broader question. fundamentally this is the culmination of sentiments and ideas for the party. it's not unique to trump. whether that's nativism. whether that's meddling in markets. whether that's the populism and all the things that he does. we've seen that come through the tea party, or some of the other movements. there's a direct thread. she's talking about rooting out something that is far teacher than trump. and it's also been a long

they're suing oan, news max, it's suing rudy giuliani, suing the pillow guy, suing sidney powell.states in different courtrooms, but you would have to be really worried. i think there's even a bigger issue here than you raised in the introduction, and that is we've seen conspiracyism take deep root within the republican party and the conservative movement over the last 5, 10, 15 years. alex jones helped put it there. he wasn't the only one. trump did it with birther itch. we have an arizona secretary of state who was just elected by republicans, -- nominee. hasn't won yet. but he is a qanon supporter. doug mast ra know in pennsylvania running for governor there, republican. he has been friendly to qanon. so, the whole conspiracy theory industry has subsumed the republican party and conservative movement, and they're saying, hey, we're trying to put guardrails up and put brakes on this, and i think that has ramifications for a lot of people other than alex jones. >> fox news on the situation. >> dominion came under heavy fire after allegations their machines caused thousand of vote

they are seeking testimony from mark meadows, and sidney powell. does that signal for you, in terms of the crescendo of this investigation? >> i think as you pointed out, there is a level of people that are speaking to rudy giuliani. to me, those are, all, the key people that we have heard about. people who were involved in the phone calls, parole, to raffensperger, for any pressure on him to find just enough votes for donald trump to have won georgia. those are the key people to be trying to speak to it. we know that they have, certainly, done a very active grand jury investigation, and is in getting their subpoenas. it's enforced. so, what this means is that there is not this incipient, putting investigation, to the home stretch. >> not putting into the investigation indeed. andrew weizmann, former fbi counsel, and former senior member of special counsel robert mueller's investigative team, always full of wisdom, and very educated guesses. thank you for your time tonight, andrew. >> nice to be here. >> way down the ballot, in florida's primary el

this is tightening around the inner circle, where sidney powell promoted conspiracy theories about the election. mark meadows, to make a surprising visit to him or commit and saying it has a good heat signature. many of my colleagues observed him saying, that they wanted to get the truth, but now, they're trying to get the truth out of him. >> we are expecting the judge to make a decision about the governor's testimony for at least another day or two. this is political argument likely to be persuasive here? >> it is tough. it was trying to rule on kemp's request, and to make the argument that he shielded from testifying because of illegal concept of sovereign immunity. it should not be a factor in this case, because the grand jury's probing criminal violations. we will see how the judge rules, hopefully, within a couple of days. >> senator lindsey graham, resisting a subpoena and the same investigation. what we know in that timeline? >> fighting this tooth, and nail, he's put together a team that, already, successfully, convinced the people to block his testimony. your constitutional p

jury subpoenas for trump's former chief of staff, mark meadows, and former trump legal adviser sidney powellgon, a 20-year-old gunman wielding a semiautomatic assault rifle and shotgun opened fire inside of a safeway grocery store in the city of end, sunday, killing two people before taking his own life. one of the victims, 66-year-old safeway worker donald likely saved the lives of many by confronting and attacking the gunman. in texas, a federal judge has struck down a state law that banned adults under the age of 21 from carrying a gun, arguing the statue violated the second amendment. the ruling came just three months after an 18-year-old gunman killed 19 children and two teachers at robb elementary school in the city of uvalde -- texas' deadliest school shooting. the lawsuit was filed last november by the firearms policy coalition. in related news, in austin, dozens of gun control advocates, including the families and loved ones of victims of the uvalde mass shooting, rallied outside the texas state capitol over the weekend demanding the state raise the minimum age to purchase an ar-15

that list now includes former chief of staff mark meadows and lawyer sidney powell. the fulton county district attorney has filed petitions seeking to have the individuals testify before a special grand jury in atlanta next month because they do not live in georgia, they must be ordered to appear by judges in the state where they reside. let's bring in former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york andy mccarthy. andy, your thoughts on where we are on this affidavit. it seems that the justice department is going to have a lot of leeway as far as the redactions and could end up with a lot of documents that look like black marks. >> yeah. that's probably right, bret. it's a very unusual situation. in a normal criminal case, the government does the searches and makes arrests at the same time because it's the same standard. it's probable cause that a crime got committed. this is the unusual case where they have done a search in the middle of an investigation. there's a number of things that we could probably intriguingly draw conclusions on about th

i do tell in the book at one point i ask him about do remember -- sidney powell had been sued by the election, the elections company that she is repeatedly said, you know, our defense in court was that her claims were so ridiculous, i mean, effectively proclaims are so ridiculous that no right thinking person could have believed she was being serious. i read that to trump to see what his reaction was and he kind of cycled through all of the emotions. he said that it was a, it was something very dumb to say. he doubted that she had even said it. he wondered if it was some legal boilerplate. you know, and all the way to the end where he gets to the end of this little rant and says well, she never really technically represented me. you know that, right? distancing himself from her. i think it's sort of depends on, i mean it was, january 6th was what, sort of this horrific but in a lot of ways inevitable coda to what trump had been telling us for years, for decades, that he would never lose a fair fight, that it would always be election fraud. right? he claimed it was fraud and when the

. >> reporter: sidney powell and a half dozen more pro trump lawyers were sanctioned for filing whatoing, he was actually charged with crimes, including campaign finance violations. he admitted it, lost his law license, and went to prison. >> my loyalty to mr. trump has cost me everything. >> reporter: to be clear, defending a client is legal, even if that client has committed a crime. indeed, it is an attorney's duty. but potentially helping a client commit a crime can quickly make a lawyer need a lawyer, too. poppy? >> that's exactly right. tom, thank you very much. "outfront" now, john dean, former nixon whiteout counsel. john, you know better than anyone what the rules are for lawyers when they sign documents like this. do you think trump's attorney, christina bobb, could be in legal jeopardy now? >> it simply appears that way. we know from that letter she signed the certification. she did rely on others. she reports in that certification and we don't know what amount of effort she put into it. but she's at high risk signing a document like that, if she's not put some effort into

attorney sidney powell sent the team to georgia and attempted to do the same in the detroit area, allto the records. a trump campaign attorney engaged a team to travel to nevada and the day after the january 6th attack on the capitol the team was in southern georgia copying data from a dominion voting system in a rural countip. joining me is arizona's current secretary of state katie hobbs. thanks for being here. this is very frightening to here. what does it mean for the trump-aligned lawyers to have access to this type of information? >> well, i think -- i'm glad to see these hearings play out because every single person who conspired to undermine our democracy needs to be held accountable. we saw the same kind of things playing out in arizona where we had months and months and months of the sham audit and folks trying to get access to the voting equipment and to our ballots and conducting just an entirely fake review, so i'm glad to see people being held accountable, but a we're facing must bigger challenges and kari lake, my opponent for governor, is a conspiracy theorist number o

as well as attorney sidney powell who helped lead the legal challenges to the election results.nia regulators have approved a mandate that all new vehicles sold in the state be electric- or hydrogen-powered by 2035. sales of used gasoline powered vehicles will still be allowed after 2035. the shift could reshape the entire u.s. auto market. president biden and ukraine's president zelenskyy are urging russia tonight to return the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant to ukraine's control. mr. biden spoke with zelenskyy by phone today, as the plant was cut off, for a time, from ukraine's power grid. there's been more shelling around the site this week, and zelenskyy said today's incident could have released radiation. >> i want to assure all ukrainians, we are doing everything to prevent an emergency. international pressure is needed that will force the occupiers to immediately withdraw from the zaporizhzhia site. because every minute of the russian military staying at the nuclear plant is a risk of a global radiation disaster. stephanie: meanwhile, workers cleared rubble a day after russian

former white house chief of staff, mark meadows, mow being ordered to testify, along with attorney sidney powellet to appear before the grand jury next month. nbc's blayne alexander is in atlanta. blayne, why is the d.a. turning her focus to meadows and powell, and do we know if they'll try to not show up? >> lindsey, good to be with you. she's kind of laid out why she wants to hear from these individuals and what she's hoping to get from their testimony. the d.a. has made it clear all along that she's going to do a robust investigation. that she wants to hear from anybody who had even proximity to former president trump and can give any sort of insight into his mind-set, into his actions, regarding the 2020 elections, specifically here in georgia. i want to read to you a little bit of what she said regarding mark meadows. she said, essentially, that the witness possesses unique knowledge concerning the relevant communications between the witness, former president donald trump, the trump campaign and other known and unknown individuals involved in the murlt-state coordinated every to influence t

listen to lawyer sidney powell who for years has been pushing the false narrative of massive fraud in silicon valley people, the big tech companies, the social media companies and even the media companies. and i'm going to release the kracken. >> reporter: powell was part of the elite strike force, a team of lawyers who claimed to be rooting out election fraud. they falsely accused dominion voting system and smartmatic of helping orchestrate the alleged fraud by using an algorithm in their machines to flip votes from then president trump to joe biden. powell was pressed to provide proof during this tense interview with the australian broadcast corporation. >> what do you have in your case? you have a bunch of dodgy affidavits that don't add up. you have a group of people with dubious credentials. >> that's your characterization. that's all your characterization. >> so far you've provided no evidence -- >> you might as well be working for dominion and smartmatic. >> reporter: dominion is now suing powell and trump's former personal lawyer, rudy giuliani. giuliani made so many false cla

trying to salvage any bit of reputation and avoid being grouped in lumped in with rudy giuliani the sidney powell the true loonies. the problem with the bill barr's image rehab tour in this article in the atlantic as they talk about and bill barr tells a heroic story of standing up for i don't know what happened behind closed door for the problem is bill barr completely in the article completely omits and we cannot forget is after months leading up to the election bill barth was one of the biggest cheerleaders for the election fraud conspiracy theory. he was one of the biggest spreaders, perpetrators, amplifier of the big lie. he did it as attorney general purchase quickly i lay this out. he's an interview with npr checks up the massive threat of fraud. by the way i talked before about response shortly after donald trump started tweeting basically everyday about election fraud bill barr picks it up or he did this talked about the threat and had to run an article shortly after entitled we allow the attorney general to help falsehoods on our air within the court actual experts in the things saying

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including former white house chief of staff mark meadows and former president trump's personal lawyer, sidney powell, georgia. prosecutors are trying to determine whether donald trump and his allies tried to illegally influence 2020 election results in that state. the prosecutor filed a petition to have meadows powell and others connected to the trump administration. testify before a special grand jury in atlanta next month. a community in foster city is not happy about a plan to kill at least 100 canadian geese. san mateo county supervisor david is now joining the effort to save the east kron four's. charles clifford joins us live now from foster city where a rally is planned to be held later today. and charles, we understand they're pretty upset over all of this. >> yeah, this is a story we've been following for a while now. you know, last month, the foster city city council approved a plan to possibly move forward with calling about 100 canada geese here in foster city and now supervisor can has come out against that plan. that's going to take a look at some video now. the goose population has be

trying to salvage any reputation and avoidup being grouped in, lumped in with the rudy giuliani, sidney powell, the pillow guy -- true loonies. the problem with his image we have is to talk about that and bill barr tells the story of daniel -- maybe, i don't know what happens behind closed doors but the problem is bill barr -- and thele article completely oms and we can't forget for months up to the election he was one of the biggest cheerleaders for the election fraud conspiracy theory, one of the biggest spreaders, perpetrators, amplifiers of the big lie. he did it as attorney general. he did an interview with npr talking about massive threat of fraud and by the way, i talked about responses shortly after donald trump started tweeting every day about the threat of election, bill barr picks it up. talking about the threat npr had to run an article shortly after entitled we allowed the eternal attorney general to tell falsehoods and then the quoted actual experts and they were preposterous, both in high favorite, they were just not. npr, they are that blunt. i love it. then he goes in front of

one of them is sidney powell, who was one of the president's lawyers involved in this whole scheme andstaff of the former president and central to those efforts by the former president to try to find a way to remain in power. >> yeah. that information just into cnn. evan perez, thanks so much. >>> up next, last hour president biden gave some of his sharpest critiques of the republican party suggesting they have gone too far, predicting the end of extreme maga philosophy. we'll have details on what he said ahead. (game chime) (silence) (♪ ♪) real luxury, real thrill. feel the rush of performance at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. (♪ ♪) ♪dance! by christian a medice & elisha noll♪ ♪are you ready?♪ ♪♪ ♪let's go♪ ♪♪ ♪ahh yeah♪ ♪♪ ♪step to rhythm like♪ ♪you're going out tonight♪ ♪dance get with the groove and♪ ♪dance get up and move let's♪ ♪dance kick off your shoes and♪ ♪show me how you♪ ♪dance♪ ♪♪ ♪dance♪ ♪♪ ♪dance♪ get a free storage upgrade and case with s pen when you pre-order. >>> moments ago in maryland, president biden wrapped up remarks touting his recent legislative win

whether we're talking about trump, whether we're talking about the other lawyers involved, sidney powell, mark meadows, whoever we're talking about developing to develop this scheme and this plan. so this -- these are expected witnesses. doesn't mean they have the silver bullet to the case. so the fact that there are discussions going on, i think it would be malpractice for trump's team not to do it, because they know there are things out there they want to protect. does that mean at end of the day they'll be able to hide behind executive privilege, we'll see what the court says. these are different discussions when we talk about communications between a president and white house counsel as opposed to necessarily just another cabinet member and, you know, a president may be just the secretary to the state in a circumstance like this. would the lawyers give him advice about what to do and what they think? >> michael moore, we'll see how it plays out. thank you very much. >> good to be with you. thank you. >>> coming up next, a tragedy next to the white house. cnn just confirmed two people

he had his dream team of rudy giuliani and sidney powell and jenna ellis. but it almost feels like he is gone even lower than that with people who are not really prepared to handle this. and i think the p here is this really looks like it is headed in the direction of a potential indictment. and trump really needs to have a strong legal representation from experience lawyers who know how to defend a criminal case. beyond they have to at least know how to file documents in court. and i think there needs to be a time when you represented the president would make your legal career. and the piers that nobody wants to represent him, partly because he is a bad client and he does not listen to advice. he does not pay his lawyers. and often the lawyers and up under investigation, in some form themselves. so, you know, i don't know what to say but it does not look good for trump at this point. >> i would say, asha, you said a lot. you saw the. what john, then there is this released letter that the archives and trump back in may about the more than 100 classified rec

the da is also seeking testimony from this woman, sidney powell. she's the trump lawyer who touted wild debunked conspiracy theories involving rigged election machines and the dead venezuelan president chavez, she had a series of doomed lawsuits challenging the election results. meantime georgia's republican governor is fighting his own subpoena to testify before the grand jury. today, a judge heard nearly 2 hours from his legal team and the fulton county prosecutors. the governor's lawyers arguing he has immunity from testifying. they say it would be an inappropriate thing to make him testify out while he's running for electionin november. >> they said the governor's testimony is crucial and can't wait. they've been wanting to ask governor kemp about the phone call from mr. trump in december of 2020, during, he asked the governor to order special legislative session to give him the states electoral votes instead of to the rightful winner, president biden. the judge did not announce any decision today. after months of intense pressure from parents,

some of his research was used by sidney powell back in 2020.to poke holes in systems. so if even they are saying -- even those top experts are saying that the vulnerabilities that mike lindell and other people say exist, they're not there, and the main point they were trying to hit at this weekend was, yes, there can be vulnerabilities in votinging machines. no system is perfect. but there's a big system from there being a vulnerability and a gap to changing votes and overturning an election. >> donie o'sullivan, appreciate it. >>> coming up, an update on first lady jill biden, who has tested positive for covid. i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. ♪things are getting clearer♪ ♪i feel free to bare my skin♪ ♪yeah, that's all me♪ ♪nothing and me go hand in hand♪ ♪nothing on my skin♪ ♪that's my new plan♪ ♪nothing is everything♪ achieve clearer skin with skyrizi. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. in another study, most people had 90% clearer skin, even at 4 years. and skyrizi is just 4 doses a yea

. >> now records obtained by the newspaper show attorney sidney powell sent a firm to michigan to copyelped arrange for the firm to do the same in the detroit area. we're joined now by michigan secretary of state jocelyn benson. secretary of state benson, thank you so much for joining us. as "the washington post" reported state authorities now are investigating alleged improper equipment breaches in your state. what is the status of that investigation right now? >> well, there has been connections made between various attempts to breach our security and i think the bottom line on my end is the state chief election officer i can assure anyone any breach tabulators that were identified were decommissioned pr ed prior to t year's election. so the focus really now is building connections between the atemtd breaches and the breaches themselves to seek accountability and justice because this is going to continue, these attempts are going to continue, not just in michigan, but elsewhere until we sequences for the perpetrators. >> you're saying you took the machines out of rotation for the upc

what we see is sidney powell, people around her, finding all these different routes in, whether it's, whether it's through republican officials who agree with them about election fraud, and, you know, i think it's important to say, this is the sort of the trump attempt to overturn the election. we know of mike pence in congress. but this stuff was done quietly and discreetly. the emails we obtained show it was compartmentalized. some lawyers involved in some states weren't shown what was going on in other states. they didn't want to publicize this. they tried to do it quickly and stealthily, to get into the machines and however prove votes were flipped and the machines were part of a foreign conspiracy to flip the election. >> your reporting shows this is a far more complicated effort than we believed in the initial weeks after the election. i want to ask you, on this, is there any legal consequence perhaps for this effort here that could be forthcoming? then, secondly, what safeguards could be put in place to prevent something like this from happening again? or is it going to remain

attorneys working to overturn the election, including sidney powell, hired a georgia computer firm tor. the data was downloaded dozens o times. accord the downloaders were accounts associated with a texas meteorologist who appeared on sean hannity's radio show, a podcaster who suggested political enemies should be executed, former pro surfer saying the 2020 election was manipulated, and a self-described former seduction and pickup coach who claims also to have been a hacker. copies of election software and other data could help people who are trying to compromise similar systems. joining us now, investigative reporter at "the washington post," jon swaine. good to have you back with us this morning. i'll ask you the same question i asked you off your original story, which is, why do these conspiracy theories or any private citizen, by the way, have access to voting machines? how did they get into these machines, and why were they allowed to? >> it's a great question and what people ask me when the stories come out. in georgia, there was a case of a local elections official who believed

. >> even sidney powell defending herself in a defamation lawsuit brought by dominion voting systems argued that quote, no reasonable person would conclude that her statements were truly statements of fact . mister chairman i yield back. >> i think the witness for joining us today. first panel is now dismissed. >> without objection the chair recognizes the gentlewoman from california miss lofgren . >> misterchairman . last week, we presented the testimony of former attorney general bill barr who testified before this committee. today we present additional evidence including his testimony that former president trump started making claims of election fraud immediately after the election and that barr concluded the claims were untrue. due to the length of his testimony we will include relevant portions at the hearing today. so let's play the video. >> the apartment in fact when we received specific and credible allegations of fraud made an effort to look into these to satisfy ourselves that they were without merit. i was in the posture of trying to figure out, there was an avalanche of

associates fulton county district attorney filed petitions, seeking to have meadows, as well as lawyers sidney powelllldron and former trump campaign adviser forest etchstein, testify before a grand jury in atlanta next month the government will end its give away of covid tests because of insufficient government funding and they want to have enough on hand in the event of a full surge. we will watch on that front. david? >> thank you. >>> we are almost an hour into the trading session. markets are still in the red but we are off the lows of the session. of course, all of this coming after comments from fed chair powell sparked that very powerful sell-off on friday. let's bring in cnbc's senior markets commentator mike santoli as we're an hour into trading right now. mike, your thoughts. >> it's fascinating, if chair powell's intent on friday was mostly to keep the stock market from becoming too comfortable and thinking about when it would be a plateau, it succeeded but to me, it is not clear how far he needed to go, because there already was this reservoir of uncertainty in the markets a lot of short

been the craziest meeting that's ever happened in the oval office of the white house, ever, when sidney powelltrump to use the military to seize voting machines. herschmann had firsthand knowledge of the way that conversation went. and, of course, as his testimony showed, he was in the white house and present at the ellipse rally on january 6th, closely seeing what played out over the course of that day. so, he has detailed, firsthand, immediate, thorough knowledge of multiple parts of the effort that some of trump's supporters engaged in to try to reverse the election outcome. frankly, it would have been surprising if the justice department didn't try to get his testimony. he's not the first lawyer that they have called in, of course. as we mentioned earlier, pat cipollone and patrick philbin have also both been summoned by this grand jury related to the january 6th probe. but herschmann, without question, brings a layer of detail and insight that you would think the justice department, unsurprisingly, would be keenly interested in. >> andrew weissmann, all throughout this last week or so, i

remember sidney powell, nobody could ever believe what i said, in defense of defamation. a kind of truth serum, keeping people, you know, keeping them from saying the truth. but now, of course, they are perfectly contradictory, saying, in public, oh, let's release the whole thing and taking no position at all in court where, of course, anybody with any sense knows this affidavit is nothing but bad news for trump were it to be released. >> but harry, i want to drill down on this, because it seems to me that, again, my understanding of this, if you -- it doesn't matter what you say outside court. they can talk to the press all day long, get on the courthouse steps, put out stuff on truth social. the former president can say whatever he wants, but in the end, the only thing that matters in the court is -- the way you speak in a court is with your filing. so, if you're calling for the release of the affidavit and all those other forums and then you decide not to file calling for the release of the affidavit, are you not, by implication, saying, we don't want the affidavit rel

neither has giuliani or sidney powell.obody has given us any names yet he was right quick to give us the names of the fbi agents, so i think this should tell trumpsters something, that there was no fraud in the 2020 election. thank you. host: sean, republican in missouri, go ahead. caller: everybody talks about biden but doesn't talk about what trump did, used the white house for money -- he -- host: we are listening, sean. you said used the white house for money. caller: yeah. he also did an insurrection on our capitol. he talked about biden going to prison but what about trim going to prison for what he did -- what about trump going to prison for what he did? host: ok. chris, amarillo, texas, democratic caller. your top news story of the week. caller: i'm a democrat in amarillo, texas and it is difficult to be a democrat out here. i'm also a criminal defense attorney and i notice a lot of republicans talking about illegal search, and i looked back on my experience with federal and state courts and what people don't reali

then, of course, in his role as personal attorney, was one of those, along with sidney powell, michael flynn, and a few others, who really pushed the conspiracy theories. people looked for new jobs. there was a covid outbreak. giuliani had basically free reign of the oval office and pushed conspiracies into trump, who was happy to hear them. we remember the news conference at the rnc when the hair dye came down his face. he legislatures and courthouses across the country and talk about how the election was stolen outside, but inside, not testify the same. georgia, he talked with state legislators and prosecutors, he lied, that he presented false information. there is a sense charges can be coming -- he is named a target -- at any time. as a postscript, the "associated press" told him on his return to new york being wheeled through an airport in a wheelchair. he simply said that he satisfied the obligation to be there from prosecutors but did not go into details any further. he would not say if he took the fifth or how many times he took the fifth. >> joe, we don't know what giuliani sa