talk about sidney powell and where the investigation stands now. >> well, hallie, it signals that weof this investigation, where the d.a. wants to hear from people who are close to the former president. you know, when we kind of go through the list of people that she called before the fulton county grand jury, it includes georgia's alternate or so-called fake electors and includes a number of state officials, and those have already gone, and now we're looking to hear from people, the d.a. is looking to hear from people in her words who had close ties withthe former president, so a more standard part of the investigation. as to sidney powell, there are two things they will want to hear from sids ny powell and one will have to do with the hearings that took place before a number of georgia legislatures in the days immediately following the 2020 election and we know sidney powell played a role in setting those up and that's when rudy giuliani game to georgia and cited a number of conspiracy theories about georgia's election and that's what the d.a. fani willis made clear she wants to as

they say they did it because donald trump's lawyer, sidney powell, asked them too.ng me now from outside of the federal courthouse in atlanta is blayne alexander. so we have this video. explain to us what it means and the issues being raised. >> so let me kind of set is scene for you here, katy, this is taking place in coffey county. this is something that's being investigated by the georgia bureau of investigation and also the georgia secretary of state of state's office. that lays the foundation and what they're looking into is an alleged data breach into the system. what this video does, this video has come to light today, what this video does, it shows really just kind of the extent to which there was coordination in these efforts and actions taken to try and overturn the election results in georgia. you talked about cathy latham. she was a chairperson of the gop, one of the 16 fake electors bringing it back here to atlanta, that, of course, we know she's a target of the fulton county investigation and was subpoenaed to testify. but it shows she's essentially gi

latham is seen escorting constants whwere worng with trump attorney sidney powell. a day after the visit, one of the men seen in the video photo powell sang "sidney, everything was smoothly yesterday with the coffee county collection." a separate surveillance video shows jeff logan, the ceo of the company cyber ninjas, also visited the elections office along with another security consultant named jeffrey lenberg. both men are under investigation for a breach of voting machines in michigan. former trump advisor steve bannon is expected to surrender thursday in new york where he faces state charges for defrauding donors to an anti-immigrant nonprofit called we build the wall. he is accused of personally pocketing donations that were given to privately fund sections of a barrier wall to be built along the u.s.-mexico border. bannon was first charged by federal prosecutors in 2020, but then he received a pardon from donald trump. those were federal charges. what he faces now is state charges. it is believed he pocketed something like $1 million. in massachusetts, the st

specialist working with trump's lawyer sidney powell., emails, witness testimony from a civil lawsuit in georgia shows that there's a connection between latham and a plan to give this group access to this office. about a week before this voting machine breach, before, latham is testifying before the georgia state legislature with rudy giuliani about alleged voter machine irregularities in coffee county. her attorney told cnn, m ms. latham did not authorize or participate in any ballot scanning efforts, computer imaging, or any similar activity. and ana, coffee county, why is it happening there? this is a huge republican strong hold. donald trump won the county with 70% of the vote. it seems fairly obvious they found a very sympathetic election official who would give them access to this election office. >> so what more can you tell us about the other two people in that video, those two guys who showed up at the office and what they say their intentions were on that day? >> well, those two guys, one is paul magio. he seems to be the leade

she's escorting two operatives working with the trump lawyer sidney powell into the election office. that video, gabe, is on january 7th, 2021, which happens to be the same day a voting system at that location was breached. now, we know tonight that a georgia bureau of investigation is investigating that breach. does that video, where you have this person who is involved in the trump elector scheme, escorting people in on the same day as the breach, concern you? >> well, obviously anybody who gave an unauthorized access, that is a criminal activity. our officers make sure that anyone is held to account. >> all this happened -- >> we only had 20 investigators and we're trying to keep up with that . >> well, we -- into the county election offices. is also of interest to the fulton county california, -- georgia office. what is your sense based on that questioning? do you think that donald trump or rudy giuliani, who we know has been formally informed that he is a target, should be worried about charges at this point? >> in georgia, i can give all the allegations i like, because i was a

trump's effort to get a coup planner who would go farther than giuliani, his lawyer, sidney powell. she would go even farther. so the plan was to take her off the campaign team and try to install her inside the government to get the military to seize voting machines. an illegal order that several lawyers warned could land them and even trump in prison. so here, trump turned to the more standard approach to a coup that we see in so many parts of world history. try to abuse the military. now, military leaders have said, and veterans have said, that generals who refuse this kind of order to get soldiers to seize voting machines just like they refuse an order to say bomb the opposing party's headquarters, a point made in a white house meeting as a nutty screaming mess. >> what they were proposing i thought was nuts. >> sidney powell was fighting. >> trump did back down on that very bad rad illegal plan. and by the way quitting an illegal coup would be a good thing but this was a military plot. another conspiracy prong that hits a dead end. and this is keechlt because facing that dead en

specialist who was working with trump attorney sidney powell. this all happened on the same day the voting systems in that office were illegally breached, january 7th, as you said, the day after the u.s. capitol attack. text messages, emails, witness testimony from a civil lawsuit here in georgia have connected latham to the plan to give this group access to the elections office. now, about a week before the voting machine breach, latham herself testified before the georgia state legislature with rudy giuliani about alleged voter machine irregularities in coffee county. her attorney told us, despite this, that ms. latham has not acted improperly or illegally, victor, and she did not authorize or participate in any ballot scanning efforts, computer imaging, or any similar activity. the i.t. specialist didn't respond to our comment. one important note. coffee county, republican stronghold. donald trump won there by 70% -- with 70% of the vote. and it looks like this trump-connected team just wanted to get access to a elections office, where they c

different plot, trump's effort to get a coup planner who would go farther than giuliani, his lawyer, sidney powelle would go even farther, so the plan was to take her off the campaign team and try type stall her inside the government to try to get the military to seize voting machines, an illegal order that several lawyers land could land them and even trump in prison. here trump stunned to a more standard approach to a coup that we see in so many other parts of the world. try to abuse the military. it was said that the generals would refuse the orders to seize voting machines or bomb the opposite party's headquarters that was talked about being a nutty mess. >> what they were proposing i thought was nuts. >> sidney powell was fighting, mike flynn was fighting. flynn screamed to me that i was a quitter. >> trump did back down on that very bad red illegal plan and quitting in a coup would be a good thing but this was the military plot. another conspiracy eats prong that hits a dead end and this is key because facing the dead end late the same night of december 18th trump turned to the other mott pu

one, we know that a data firm out of atlanta hired by sidney powell actually tracks members down in theter the 2020 election. the purpose was to copy information from the voting machines. what this surveillance video shows is that they were met by a woman who at the time was the chairperson of the county gop. the chairperson of the coffee county republican party and she met them and essentially walked them into that office. all of this really shows more insight into just the amount of coordination and really some of the actions that were taken in attempts to overturn the election in those weeks after the 2020 election. we should mention that it was never knowingly part of any sort of effort to thwart the election, but a notable thing. it's wort pointing out this woman is one of georgia's 16 so-called fake electors who as we know is linked back to the investigation and has been notified that all 16 of them are targets of the da's investigation here in fullton county. >> let's draw on some of the reporting there in georgia along with away we're hearing from the "washington post" as well.

it happened the day after the insurrection, trump attorney sidney powell organized a effort to take datathe forensic firm. we should note that they did not change any votes or anything like that, they were just taking the data. they were helped along by then chairwoman of the county republican party, cathy latham. cathy latham was also one of the 16 fake electors who signed paperwork falsely claiming trump won the election, that they were the rightful electors. according to the washington post, cathy latham who works as a teacher said, quote, said in a sworn testimony that she thought a full day of school that day in visited -- she was there for, quote, just a few minutes. here she is, on surveillance camera, walking into the coffee county election office. according to the washington post, this happened before noon on january 7th. she stays inside for a while and comes back out to greet the computer experts and escort them into the elections building acting as if it is all part of normal business. nbc news has reached out to cathy latham for comment but has not yet to hear back. the data

it was rudy giuliani, sidney powell, john eastman -- there was a whole cabal of people around the president who made a serious plan, involving serious lawyers, not saying serious things, but to try and stop the peaceful transition of power in this country. i sit on the intelligence committee, so every day i take my watch off, i take my phone out of my pocket. when i look at classified information, it has the markings that all of america got to see all of america got to see. s out of that -- if i take those documents out of the sicf, -- scif, i will get in trouble. the idea that there was highly sensitive documents sitting on a carpet -- that is absolutely mind blowing. host: the former president told hugh hewitt he ahad -- he has absolute right to declassify arguments. guest: your viewers can decide whether trump is a paragon of truth like george washington, but his lawyers are not making that argument. there is no doubt in my mind, given that his lawyers are not making that argument, that, that probably did not happen, host: we go to new jersey, carol is on the democrats' line. caller: my

specialist whose company was hired by trump attorney sidney powell. how do we know they were breached? well, this guy, scott hall, actually admits to it in audio obtained by cnn. that's scott hall there. listen to this audio. >> i'm the guy that chartered the jet to go down to coffey county to have them inspect all of those computers, and i've heard zero, okay? i went down there. we scanned every freaking ballot, and they scanned all the equipment, imaged all the hard drives and scanned every single ballot. >> that's basically what they did, anderson. scott hall is an atlanta bail bondsman and described as a republican operative. we've gotten no response from him today. kathy leatham, the woman who opened the door in the video, has been connected to the plan to access these elections offices through emails and texts documented in a civil case. this is what her attorney told us. ms. leatham has not acted improperly or illegally. ms. leatham did not authorize or participate in any ballot scanning efforts, computer imaging, or any similar activity. the i

rudy giuliani and sidney powell and we could go on and on and on. is now going after from a white house official steven miller a frequent guest on this court. miller said if we win these cases in the courthouse we can direct the alternate state of electors are certified. he didn't call for a coup. he called for them to be seated if the court ordered that. he was following the constitutionally prescribed process. under joe biden that's a crime. everyone of these people has to hire lawyers to defend themselves. a lot of them can't afford it. in addition, we obtained the subpoena that demands the communications from other republicans and people who spoke to them. including the republican state party secretary in nevada. among dozens of others. what is this about? it can't be about january 6th. the fake insurrection. the only insurrection in history with no guns. the insurrection was the only person shot to death was a trump supporter. no the point is to suppress political dissent and hobble a political party and keep these people from ever participatin

surveillance video shows a republican county official and a team of operatives working for trump attorney sidney powellng those seen, kathy latham, a former gop chairwoman of coffee county, under criminal investigation for posing as a fake elect door in 2020. although she can be seen escorting the team latham previously claimed she was not personally involved in the breach. the video appears to undercut that claim, showing her inside as a team of republican operatives work on computers in your election equipment, and proceeded to access voting data. scott hall, and atlanta bail bondsman and republican poll watcher is one of the people who spend hours inside the restricted area. paul later described what he did. >> i'm the guy who chartered the deck to go down to coffee county, to have them inspect all of those computers. and i have heard zero. i went down there, we scanned every freaking ballot, and scanned all the equipment and all the hard drive, and scanned every single ballot. >> the georgia secretary of state's office called what happened in coffee county criminal behavior, and a state criminal in

specialist whose company was hired by trump attorney sidney powell. how do we know that they breached the machines once inside? this guy, scott hall, actually admits it in this audio obtained by cnn. >> i'm the guy the chartered jet to go down and coffee county to have them inspect all of those computers, and i have heard zero, okay? i went down there, we scanned every freaking ballot, and they scanned all the equipment and imaged all the hard drives and scanned every single ballot. >> scott hall turns out to be in atlanta bail bondsman, and described as a republican operative. cnn got no response from him and we ask for his response. kathy latham, who opened the door and the victim, she has been in this plan to access the elections office through emails and text documented in a civil case. her attorney told us that she has not acted improperly or illegally, and she did not authorize or participate in any ballot scanning efforts, computer imaging, or any similar activity. the i.t. specialist firm says it has no reason to believe that the lawyers that

two men say they gain access to a voting machine and they did so at the request of trump lawyer, sidney powelleo, what it shows us, and just what it means. >> it's surveillance camera video from right outside the door. it goes on any time anybody has any motion in front of it. take a look at the motion that took place. that is kathy rathem. she is a woman what who is already part of the fake electors investigation. and here she is opening up the door for those i.t. people that you talked about, john, basically, it appears, allowing them into this office on the very day that the equipment inside was breached. the text messages, the emails, witness testimony from a civil lawsuit, all show that lathem was connected to this plan to give this group access. but according to her attorney, the attorney writes that m ms. lathem had not acted improperly or illegally, she did not participate or authorize any computer scanning or any similar activity. but as we say, this video does show she is opening up the door for this very team that apparently did do some of that information, and it comes on january 7

there was an issue of having a special counsel created, i can't believe i was going to say this, sidney powell was going to be a special powell. it's insanity. they should have evidence about the pressure on the vice president to get him to go along with this. pressure on him. they were in a whole host of meetings that were critical and central to the january 6th hearing. in congress and the federal department of justice. >> absolutely. fascinating stuff. the great andrew weissman when i said the january 6th cumulative committee and he gently corrected me. you're wonderful. have a great day. evening. >>> up next, president biden looks to thread the needle with an important speech on optimism and condemnation. that speech is coming up at the top of the hour so stay right there. in my ozempic® tri-zone, i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. announcer: ozempic® provides powerful a1c reduction. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with kno

as for that tech firm, that firm is at the center of all this because they were engaged by sidney powell. they told "the washington post" previously, not in response to this story, said they would be fully cooperative with investigators and confident the firm has done nothing wrong. joe, i certainly suspect when it comes to the fulton county investigation, this is something the d.a. will be interested in. >> blayne alexander in atlanta, thank you. >>> next, kids who attended robin elementary are wrapping up their first day of the school year, but for the parents of the 19 children killed, their pain is still fresh. jose diaz-balart spoke to one family who lost their daughter. >> i want her here. i want her e oh, i can tell business is going through the “woof”. but seriously we need a reliable way to help keep everyone connected from wherever we go. well at at&t we'll help you find the right wireless plan for you. so, you can stay connected to all your drivers and stores on america's most reliable 5g network. that sounds just paw-fect. terrier-iffic i labra-dore you round of a-paws at&t 5

we know michael flynn and sidney powell are coming into his office giving really bad advice. but there's a bit of mixed comments there from trump about what he's planning to do, but it's clear from this reporting that he was going to try everything possible to stay in office despite losing the election. >> it's important that in this reporting initially he has accepted the loss. almost with some embarrassment. and that shifts eventually. are there legal implications here? >> we know that there are something like five investigations going into donald trump right now. and going into different aspects of what happened on january 6th. and one of the things that i think will be key is what donald trump was -- his mindset and what he was intending to happen. so if we know that donald trump at some point, perhaps believed that he had actually lost but now was refusing to concede, i do think that will weigh on the minds of pros cecutors when they're determining whether to move forward with this case or that case. >> fascinating details from maggie haberman. so many questions it raise

subpoenaed by the january 6th committee earlier in the year, and they also subpoenaed rudy giuliani and sidney powello these revelations? >> i think it is clear that this investigation, which was quite, and it seemed the justice department, at least from all the public signs we got was only focused on the violence at the capitol and now it's clear that they moved beyond that narrow scope and are looking at all those close to trump, and i think what you are will see is they are slowly working their way up the ladder, and i think what this reminds us of is trump and those closest to him are the subject of really -- in some cases overlapping federal inquiries, and one around january 6th, and one to potentially illegally raise money, and the inquiry into whether he retained illegally classified documents, and we are at a stage where those may start to interact with each other, and they may feel pressured by the government to come forward and cooperate and tell what they know about the former president's vulnerability in any of these three areas. >> barbara, if i can ask you about something we saw last ni

cared about the law, when they leave, a vacuum opens up that, under stage right, rudy giuliani and sidney powell, specifically talking in the end of the presidency. ivanka and jarred are basically done, washing their hands of this presidency, and, who is left but people who enable him? it's a kind of delicate calculation. it's not that delicate, people left in the end. but there is a downside, right? you are a neighbor on one hand, if you are in the white house, and you have, a senate being who cares about the law, but you're the last gate keeper to an increasingly reckless president. did you sense there was concern after the fact, when these officials left, that they had effectively left no one minding the shop once they were gone? >> yeah, it's an enduring thing we came up with each time as we were researching this. book by the way, we did the research on this book after president trump left office this is the work of 300 interviews we did in the last 18 months, trying to learn what we didn't know at the time because people were afraid to talk, not willing to talk, told us things that didn't t

surveillance video shows a republican county official and a team of operatives working for trump attorney sidney powellcted area of the local elections office in coffee county, georgia. among those seen, kathy lathum a former gop chairwoman of coffey county who is under criminal investigation for posing as a fake elector in 2020. lathum previously claimed she was not personally involved in the breach but the video appears to undercut that claim showing her inside as a team of republican operatives work on computers near election equipment and proceed to access voting data. scott hall, an atlanta bail bondsman and fulton county republican poll watcher is one of the people who spent hours inside of the restricted area. in audio obtained by cnn hall later described what he did. >> i'm the guy that chartered the jet to go down to coffee county to have them inspect all of those computers and i've heard zero. okay? i went down there, we scanned every freaking ballot -- >> reporter: the georgia secretary of state's office calls what happened in coffee county criminal behavior and a state criminal investigatio

we know previously that waldron was working with sidney powell, mike flynn, rudy juice lan yi giuliani. people that were trying to overturn the election but working from the outside. the they had access to the president but not inside the white house. a lot of people were pushing back against them like the white house counsel, for example. the fald that waldron had direct communications with mark meadows is different. that means he was into perhaps the person closest to trump in terms of being able observe and know what he knew, what trump now and trump was directing. i think it just adds to the pile of evidence that mark meadows is going to be someone what doj in particular is very, very interested in getting on their side with a cooperation agreement or immunity order to get the testimony about the former president. the. >> that is phil waldron on the screen right now, just so people know what he looks like. the georgia investigation is demanding both waldron and meadows testify. meadows is supposed to testify in this -- tomorrow, i believe. as soon as tomorrow. how much hot water do

surveillance video shows a republican county official and a team of operatives working for trump attorney sidney powell. inside a restricted area of the local elections office in georgia. among those seen, kathy latham, a former gop chairwoman, who is under criminal investigation for posing as a fake elector in 2020. latham previously claimed she was not personally involved in the breach but the video appears to undercut that claim showing her inside as a team of republican operatives work on computers near election equipment and proceed to access voting data. scott hall, an atlanta bail bondsman in fulton county republican poll watcher, one of the people who spent hours inside the restricted area and in audio obtained by cnn later described what he did. >> i'm the guy that chartered the jet to go down to coffee county to have them inspect all of those computers, and i've heard zero, okay -- i went down there. we scanned every freaking ballot. >> reporter: the georgia secretary of state's office calls what happened in coffee county criminal behavior and a state criminal investigation is under way. but

sounds like sidney on the first name basis with sidney powell and her team are getting inundated with make a plan. release it and save us from the left taking america down. so again, we have -- and i have this own sort of wrestling with myself about playing any of trump. i feel the same way reading this. the point is what she put into emotion. by sending an e-mail and by turning the white house chief of staff to side with sidney powell and by the way, no evidence was ever marshalled. the sid never found any evidence of anything. that's why rudy giuliani lost 60 cases. win the 0 for 60 in court. so it's to rick's point, disinformation. about tout this bigger question of what influence did she have. do you think we'll get to the bottom of that? >> i think that's one of the reasons that they want to talk to her. the access she had was really astounding which cynical people outside the beltway probably want to think that this stuff doesn't happen. and so this is a real look into something ugly. but to luke's point, i think that they're going to go lighter. i think they're going to go narr

that trump's allies were in a psychological war including her and she implored meadows to get sidney powell to help her release. as ali said at the end of that interview, they're going to be talking to ginny thomas in the next weeks. >> we'll see if it happens. i think we're going to see more fear from people. that's what the committee has done and why they've been effective. you create this tidal wave, tsunami of fear. we need more time, money and more resources. if we can get there, i think we can start to engage in this information war that's much better. >> what are the questions to thomas. >> i have so many. when i first saw those texts, it was like somebody stuck a pencil in my eyeball. >> you thought it was a university of virginia professor. >> i did. we sort of knew, but you've got to validate it to 100%. the questions i would ask, why where you forwarding a text from the chief of staff? are you working with congressional members? you say you have access with jared. how many other e-mails to the trump family or associates have you made? we know about the e-mails going to other stat

they were allegedly hired by trump lawyer sidney powell to go do the dirty work.udulent elector who let them in had testified under oath that she was only there that day briefly, that she had actually spent the day teaching. this was all one day after the january 6th insurrection, but part of a plot as we've shown you that was months in the making. elector fraud kicked around from november to january. you'll see two men from a tech group you'll recall cyber anyone gentlemans. they go into the same office, one of at least seven visits in that crucial period after donald trump lost the 2020 election when he would not con seed and while he and his aides staged multiple different efforts -- this is one of them, them walking in there, caught them on tape, busted -- these different efforts to overthrow the race. we're joined now by washington chief david corn. david, the video alone means nothing. the video with what i mentioned and the stack of evidence, some prosecutors would look at this as really key indictable material that you then show a jury and stack it up agai

move comes after footage released earlier this month showed contractors hired by trump attorney sidney powell copying voter data from machines in that county. in the announcement. he wrote in part this, anyone who broke the law should be punished to the full extent. but they have to inform with the 2022 election. they should be able to do so without this distraction. meanwhile, former president trump claims he was not watching television on january 6th as hundreds of his supporters tacked the capitol. that's what he told "new york times" reporter during a conversation for her upcoming book called "confidence ban." when asked what he was doing on january 6th, he told her this, i didn't usually have a television on. i would have it fon there was something. i then later turned it on and saw what was happening. i heard afterward on the late side i was in meetings and also with mark meadows and others. i was not watching television. multiple witnesses testified to the january 6th committee that trump was watching at tack as it unfolded on television and ignored pleas from vuzors and children to ca

specialist whose company was hired by trump attorney sidney powell.w do we know that they breached these machines? this guy right there, scott hall, we have on audio tapes obtained by cnn saying this. "i'm the guy that chartered the jet to go down to coffee county to have them inspect all of those computers." and he goes on to say they scanned all the equipment, imaged all the hard drives, and scanned every single ballot. hall has not responded to cnn's request for comment. the woman, cathy latham, the one who opened that door in the video, she's been connected to this plan to give the group access to the elections office by text messages, e-mails and testimony in a civil suit into georgia's elections security. latham also was testifying before the georgia state lawmakers along with rudy giuliani about alleged voter machine irregularities in coffee county. latham's attorney told cnn this. "miss latham has not acted improperly or illegally. miss latham did not authorize or participate in any ballot scanning efforts, computer imaging or any similar acti

all of the wild theories from john eastman to rudy giuliani, to sidney powell. was just constant encouragement and including the attack on the capitol which the department of justice will pars that but people need to let that sink in in terms of what it means four our politics. >> and among those players is roger stone. we have now this new footage that cnn got exclusively from documentary filmmakers who were following stone around through the 2020 election and that coup attempt and we hear stone in one clip before the election results came in even saying that, quote, the key thing to do here is to claim victory. we won, he said. so what does that tell but how it plot evolved over time? >> well, it is not one bit surprising. right. roger stone lives for this sort of thing and roger stone would proba probably be in jail today if he was not been pardoned. so it is not one bit surprising coming from roger stone. it is really surprising and shocking coming from the chief of staff mark meadows, an individual that i knew pretty well when he was in the congress. it is

involved in these potentially illegal schemes to access voting information and it's not just through sidney powell rudy giuliani and mike flynn and those folks but directly to mark meadows. that to me is a pressure point that you can use to say to mark meadows, listen, you need to come on board and cooperate and tell us what you know and that of course could be a treasure trove. >> i want to ask you big picture here. this is the question i get most often from family and friends looking at these various investigations. let's focus on january 6. wednesday the last public hearings. we have had many public hearings, many important revelations the question of course is now what happens with it. will there be a criminal referral, for example. you spent years as a prosecutor. do you see the evidence here? have they made the case for criminal referral for anyone up to and including the former president? >> well, certainly they've made the case for a referral and in fact we know that doj is already investigating parts of this plot at least so to be honest the referral isn't particularly important to doj. t

operatives into the coffee county elections office, including an it specialist who was working with sidney powell. it is the same day that the machines were illegal breached, january 7th, 2021, the day after the attack on the capitol. according to the text messages, emails, and witness testimony from a civil lawsuit against georgia elections officials, they have connected latham to the plan to give the group access to that elections office. about a week before this voting machine breach, latham, that same woman, testified before the georgia state legislature along with rudy giuliani about alleged voter machine irregularities in that same county, coffee county. latham's attorney told cnn in a statement, miss latham has not acted improperly or illegally. miss latham did not authorize or participate in any ballot scanning efforts, computer imaging or any similar activity. one important note, guys, coffee county, where this happened, is a republican stronghold. donald trump won this county with 70% of the vote, yet as you can see from that video, the trump team was able to use a sympathetic election

holding open door for members of sul venn strik ler, a data security firm hired by trump attorney sidney poweller the insurrection. additional video taken outside the county elections office shows cyber ninja ceo doug logan and cyber security consultant jeff linberg also visiting that same office a few times later in january 2021. this is all part of a criminal investigation into the breach of voter data. lathe m is also under criminal investigation for posing as a fake elector, signing paperwork falsely claiming trump won the election. nbc news reached out to lathem for comment but has yet to hear back. the data forensic firm referred nbc news to their lawyers and declined to comment. >>> former secretary of state hillary clinton is speaking out against what she calls donald trump's seditious conspiracy against the u.s. government. in an interview for cbs news, which aired last night, the 2016 democratic nominee for president did not mince words when asked about her opponent in that race. >> i would not be honest if i didn't say i think there was a seditious conspiracy against the government o

thinley, trump attorney john eastman, janet ellis, joe digenova, eys.james troop, rudy giuliani,p sidney powell victoria tanzy, and wesitchell, bruce mark could go on and on and onth and on. the doe doj is now going after former white house official steven miller, a frequent guesml on the show, with a subpoena. why? well, it could be becauseer a steven miller went on thist network and said, quote, if we win these cases,s the courts, then we can direct the alternate state of electors are certified. in other words, he didn't call for the election in correction ,much less violence or a coup. e he called for alternate he did electors to be seated if f the court ordereord them to be seated. >> in other words, he was following the constitutionally prescribed process tollowing the post-election. he's doing what he's supposed to do. he was following the rules. d undeunder joe biden, that apparently is a crime.. by the way, every one of theseee people has to hire lawyers too defend him or herself and a lot of them at this point, after th two years of harassment by joe biden can't afford it. in addition,

were not going to be influential, they stepped back, and it was that void that rudy giuliani, sidney powellting machine guys filled. there were fewer and fewer people left to, you know, fight against them, when mike pence was under pressure by the president to try to stop the electoral college count or to take away the states joe biden has won. mike short, his chief of staff goes to jared kushner, asks him to intervene, and kushner says i'm out of here. i'm not working on this right now, and that's a key moment. >> they washed their hands of it. susan, that's the end o. of the administration. you say the most important day was the first one, january 20th, 2017 because it set the stage so much and the tone so much for everything that followed. >> that's right. that was the key reason we wanted to do this book. we watched the events of january 6th and, you know, there was actually this observation by michael beschloss on the afternoon of january 6th, he says, you know, this day has been foreshadowed by every day of this presidency, and i think if you go back to january 20th, 2017, you really

. >> standing near giuliani is an attorney named sidney powell who became the face of one of the mostus and, frankly, most deranged lies, that dominion voting machines were flipping votes for trump to biden. >> the dominion voting systems were created in venezuela at the direction of hugo chavez to make sure he never lost an election. >> after she was sued by dominion, powell's attorney conceded that powell lied, saying, quote, no reasonable person would conclude that her statements were truly statements of fact, unquote. long before that happened, the president's attorney general bill barr was investigating all of trump's fraud claims. >> it was getting awkward because obviously he had lost the election. >> barr said he made it clear to donald trump at a november 23rd meeting that he had lost. >> our role is to investigate fraud. it's just not meritorious. they're not panning out. >> he was going to win in spite of all the fraud. >> spurred on by the most ardent election liars including many in maga media. >> clearly the president won this election. >> donald trump would not listen t

way out, advising him against some of the maneuvers he was trying to pull with outside allies, sidney powellident with a pallet of options to try to overturn the results of the election, things like seizing voting machines or trying to send u.s. government officials to italy to investigate italygate, these conspiracy theories that were flying around. these lawyers were described during these public hearings as sort of the voice of reason, team normal. and so it's also possible that the department of justice is pursuing a line of inquiry that we might not know about yet. they have tools at their disposal, and might have obtained information that the committee investigating, the congressional committee might not have been able to obtain, so that is something that we are all trying to pursue readouts of at the moment. this is certainly a justice department that's been very busy this august recess. >> it's a great point that they may have lines of inquiry that are -- that go further than the select committee because of their tools. i'm thinking of the attempt to overthrow doj leadership, and the

know, when the pillow guy comes in and says here's what i think we can do, when michael flynn and sidney powell proposing rerunning the election, when he is, you know, literally getting all of the texts you just read, all of this scandalous material where leading republican advisers to donald trump are begging the chief of staff to get the president to do something, he's there and replying, at least in one instance, to the white house counsel, i'm sorry, pat, he doesn't want to do anything. he's eyes and ears for so much of what the government is trying to understand. was donald trump as president knowingly, intentionally defrauding the government, conspiring to obstruct a government proceeding. he put the target on the back of vice president pence. that's visibly known based on literally his own tweets. but what does mark meadows -- what can he tell the government about what donald trump was acknowledging one-to-one, man-to-man when these ideas were being fleeted. at least in one instance, nicole, which you and i have talked about, which i would like to harp on a bit, at least in one instance,

the idea of compartmented national security information going to the likes of rudy giuliani or sidney powell or that type is something that i can't imagine that merrick garland and his colleagues can stomach. >> just unbelievable. like a rubik's cube. every twist makes it more complicated. all right. we're aren't going anywhere. i warned you there would be breaking news and there is. when we come back, we're learning that months before the fbi recovered the documents at mar-a-lago, members of donald trump's team told officials that there was nothing in any of them except news clippings. we'll dive into that new reporting with our reporters. plus, we know more now about how conniving and how planned ron desantis' stunt was to ship 50 human beings to martha's vineyard without telling them where they were go. how the political stunt that caught everyone's attention may actually get the governor in some hot water. >>> and later in the program, the author of an amazing new book on how one shadowy law firm stacked the nation's courts and helped trump undermine the election. that author, that repor

outbreak in the white house, peopler with not there and that vacuum was filled by rudy giuliani and sidney powell flynn and that sort of thing that's happening again. those are the characters, the only characters left around the former president. >> how do you evaluate the criminal exposure of these sort of dead enders? >> so, you know, one of the things you do when you're a criminal prosecutor, you look for people as you are going up the chain, you know, this is when we were doing paul manafort, we saw, wait, there's rick gates, you look for people who are around the person and you think, would they be -- do they have criminal exposure, can you build a case on them and then you can flip them? obviously mark meadows is, you know -- >> flashing red light, right? >> there's so much that -- and he has to decide, as we used to say, which side of the v he's going to be on, which is, in the united states versus, is he going to be on the united states side,cooperator, or on the defendant's side? and the one other thing important to note is, and it's hard not to read this in light of what's going on is,

, opening the door for members of sullivanstrickler, a data security company hired by attorney sidney powellay after the insurrection. additional individual yes taken outside the county office, cyberninja doug logo and jeff lundberg also visiting that same office a few times later in january 2021. this is all part of the breach of voter data. latham is under investigation for falsely signing paper that false falsely lost the election. the data firm refused nbc news to their lawyers and declined to comment. >> you know, willie, i just got to say. >> it's incorrect. >> when you look at all of these people, breaking all of these laws, all over the country, thinking that they're -- that they live in a world that's not only opposed fact world, but a post-law world. and they really believed because donald trump always seemed to get away with breaking the law. that they could just break the law. and now we're seeing -- >> for him. >> -- that actually, they're all feeling gravity's pull. that this was not a vacation from history. this is not a vacation from criminality. if you broke the law. >> from

it was rudy giuliani, sidney powell, john eastman -- there was a whole cabal of people around the presidentserious plan, involving serious lawyers, not saying serious things, but to try and stop the peaceful transition of power in this country. i sit on the intelligence committee, so every day i take my watch off, i take my phone out of my pocket. when i look at classified information, it has the markings that all of america got to see all of america got to see. s out of that -- if i take those documents out of the sicf, -- scif, i will get in trouble. the idea that there was highly sensitive documents sitting on a carpet -- that is absolutely mind blowing. host: the former president told hugh hewitt he ahad -- he has absolute right to declassify arguments. guest: your viewers can decide whether trump is a paragon of truth like george washington, but his lawyers are not making that argument. there is no doubt in my mind, given that his lawyers are not making that argument, that, that probably did not happen, host: we go to new jersey, carol is on the democrats' line. caller: my first commen