kind of the difference between what the sidney powell team is doing and what the giuliani team was doing i want to pause, you brought it up, that -- are you now still representing bernie kerik. you had been in the january 6th case, the federal case. >> yes. mr. kerik and i sat with special counsel last week. >> anything you care to reveal about the status of that? >> we sat with him for five hours. yeah, we sat with him for about five hours, we went through all of the efforts that the giuliani team undertook during that period of time to try and find fraud. what was preventing them from being able to, you know, go further, what they did to try and corroborate these claims, and certain claims of when they found out there wasn't corroboration for that they dropped out. and so, you know, we went through all that with him. >> i want to ask you about the effort to continue to try to find some sort of fraud that happened in 2020 because donald trump put it out there this morning, he's going to have this press conference, he's going to reveal all. suddenly all these charges are going to be rend

sidney powell, who was the trump campaign lawyer who was indicted in this georgia election subversion case, has also surrendered at the fulton county jail in atlanta as well. >> our zachary cohen is in atlanta, i believe outside the court house, or the jail behind you there. tell us what you've seen as the president's, the former president's former personal attorney arrived there. >> reporter: we just saw an suv with tinted windows arriving here through entrance behind me. he was expected to surrender after a meeting with prosecutors to reach a bond agreement which we know he did. $150,000 bond was set. he now appears to be inside the jail turning himself in like several other defendants we've seen come and go in the last day and a half. so rudy giuliani is the most high-profile defendant we've seen in addition to the sidney powell, a fellow trump lawyer, who has also appeared here today at the fulton county jail. >> a lot of action there. these are two pretty key figures. just to remind our viewers what they're going through. this is extraordinary. rudy giuliani walking into the fult

going together in a trial with sidney powell ÃÃdoes that help or help chesebro? case ÃÃyou are basically charged with all the acts and furtherance of the conspiracy. so i think even if chesebro even if sidney powell goes with them ÃÃwe're going to see all of the entire acts in this conspiracy trial in the fulton county court. even if donald trump does not physically present, all the acts he committed furtherance in this conspiracy allegedly, we're gonna see evidence of that when this goes into trial regardless of the sitting at the counsel table and regardless of how the defendants are with them. >> so yes, ron, and the clinical side, this obvious fund raising benefits for trump in touting all these cases. but do you see any way that these legal cases and maybe the trials and maybe their pretrial motions and evidence that comes out of other people's trials helps add to his vote total from 2020? which is basically what he would need to do to win or is he relying on just depressed support for president biden? ask that really is the key point. as we said, and republ

i saw sidney powell sitting there. >> explain that. >> well, first, the overstock person. i didn't know who he was. i walked in and i said who are you? he told me. i don't think any of these people were providing the president with good advice. >> they were working with hugo chavez of venezuela and whoever else. at one point, general flynn took out a diagram that supposedly showed all over the world, who was communicating with the machines and thermostats being hooked up to the internet. >> what response did you get when you asked -- >> the variety of responses based on my current recollection, including, i can't believe you would say something, things like this. what do you mean where's the evidence? things like that. or, you know, i just remember i would say a general disregard for the importance of actually saying the facts. >> and she said, the judges are corrupt. and i was like, everyone? every single case that you've done in the country you lost? every one of them is corrupt? even the ones you appointed? i'm bein

sidney powell asking for a speedy trial. plus the kremlin claims it was all a lie, putin denying he was behind the plane crash that reportedly killed yevgeny prigozhin. >>> spain's women's soccer team refusing to play as the soccer chief is refusing to resign, all over that unwanted kiss at the world cup. i'm kaitlan collins and this is "the source." >>> all of the mug shots are now in. now comes the legal maneuvering. tonight, former trump lawyer sidney powell is seeking a speedy trial, according to a new court filing. that makes her the second of the 19 defendants in the georgia election interference case to do so. she, of course, is the one who's promoted that unhinged stolen election conspiracy theories, like the one about hugo chavez rigging the u.s. election from his grave. obviously this move comes after we just saw another former trump attorney, kenneth chesebro, who also requested a speedy trial, and he might get it. the judge responded with an october 2023 trial date. as for donald trump, his legal team is taking t

sidney powell did file four lawsuits in four different states, one of them being georgia. she had all these crazy theories saying that chinese software engineers and venezuelan officials had hacked into voting machines in several states. all of those theories debunked by the courts. we actually heard recently from a former georgia state senator talking about how sidney powell, john eastman and rudy giuliani were trying to push this on state law mmakers. here she is. >> but the people who were actually here, who made misrepresentations, who lied, right, to officials here in georgia with the intent to overturn the election, they were rudy giuliani, they were john eastman, they were sidney powell. so all of the unindicted co-conspirators that you all have been able to identify thus far, right, were the folks who were actually -- they were like the soldiers that were sent into the battleground states to actually implement the plan. >> one thing we should note, they call these crazy theories, but the crazy theories still held sway with a large percentage of the voting populous,

sidney powell, but she indicated, unflinchingly, she is ready to go against all 19. she has her ducks in a row. and then some. if this was kenneth chesebro trying to call fani willis's bluff, she called his bluff. now what he may do, ali, is once he begins to get the discovery dump, the millions of documents, he might say, judge, i withdraw my request for a speedy trial. i didn't realize i was going to be contending with so much evidence. so stay tuned for that. >> paul, if one law would like to see justice play out here, i've read all of the indictments. they are all very detailed. jack smith looks very prepared. fani willis looks very prepared. obviously, this will be tried, and there will be a jury of their peers. which one should one who wants justice to be served before the next election, so that donald trump can't become president, and claim he can't prosecuted president, which one should you want to go first? the georgia trial or the jack smith trial. >> the jack smith trial. again, we have a situation where the district of columbia, by the end of this year, 2

so, sidney powell, ken chesebro, they're both people to watch here. they were lawyers working for donald trump in that federal court case against trump on the same topic, the 2020 election. they're both coconspirators who are uncharged there. so, watching what these two people do is so important because it could signify if they are willing to try and move in the direction that is not the way that donald trump wants to go with defendanting these cases. >> so, katelyn, look ahead to monday, just a few days away from now, because there's this crucial hearing for mark meadows and his efforts to move to federal court. what are we going to hear and see here? >> john, we're going to see people under oath for the first time in any court being on display as giving evidence in the case against donald trump. and in this particular situation, the case against mark meadows. so, in this hearing, it is a hearing regarding meadows trying to move his case from state court to federal court because he says he too was acting essentially under the presidency. he was the c

cnn has been able to identify five so far, among them rudy giuliani, john eastman, sidney powell alongith jeffrey clark and another pro trump attorney. >> one key question is why are none of these people charged, at least not yet. might they still be? who else might be cooperating with prosecutors? let's start with cnn's katelyn polantz. quite a moment. >> reporter: it is. this is a set of charges built arou around da seat that the yd believes they can try in court that is a criminal conspiracy when you look at the way the indictment is structured there are essentially three parts and they all are conspiracies propagated by donald trump, led by donald trump and that donald trump was doing, working with these other lawyers who were with him after the election, people like rudy giuliani, sidney powell, john eastman, they were doing one thing and his campaign, his white house advisers and others in the republican party were telling him to stop, that he was doing something fraudulent and that he could not be spreading this disinformation because it just was not true. the three parts of thi

sidney powell goes further said she has no idea what the allegations were going on after the electionwasn't in touch with people, never had a formal arrangement to be representing the campaign even though she was holding herself out there and trump was holding her out there as a lawyer representing him. so they're trying to get split out. the da wants to keep the case together, keep all 19 defendants together and go to trial quickly. trump has not wanted to go to trial quickly in any of the cases he faces. so how this shakes out and if this case gets split up between different defendants, people get separated out, things get moved around, that is a big question going forward and it is going to be a long road to trial. >> absolutely. if it has any implications on the other defendants in this case. while i have you, rudy giuliani has been found liable by a federal judge in this defamation suit brought by the two georgia election workers. what's the latest here? >> reporter: this is a lawsuit that giuliani has essentially lost and now he has to go to trial to determine how much he's goin

jenna ellis and sidney powell, the lawyers, also surrendering, as well. and what rudy giuliani is now saying tonight. and what to expect when donald trump arrives at that jail tomorrow. aaron katersky in atlanta. >>> for hours today, the shootout. the neighborhood under siege in pittsburgh. the suspect opening fire on deputies, the gunman also shooting down multiple police drones. s.w.a.t. on the scene, rescuing people from neighboring homes. there is late word coming in tonight the suspect dead. trevor ault on the scene. >>> more than 100 million americans facing sweltering temperatures. in chicago alone today, the heat index, the feel-like reading, 116 degrees. rob marciano is here. >>> tonight, in new york city, the young woman who shoved a beloved 87-year-old broadway singing coach down to the ground, later dying. tonight, that suspect in court. will she go to prison? what happened today. >>> the first republican debate. eight candidates in their first showdown. donald trump a no-show. rachel scott in milwaukee. >>> newly released body camera video to

where donald trump met with sidney powell and general flynn, where they actually discussed trying to get the military to impound voting machines. and the white house lawyers came in, there was a big ruckus over this. but the upshot was that sidney powell and general flynn have another way to get some of this information and that was by going to states like coffee county, a couple of counties in michigan, where they took the voting information, the old-fashioned way. they basically stole it. so they were able to go into coffee county, it was directed by people involved in the white house, trying to get this information because they were trying to somehow proof that there was fraud in the election. they thought that by getting this data, they could prove fraud. but to get to that data, they committed a crime. and the crime that is involved here is computer trespass, is a predicate for the georgia rico statute. so this does not auger well for the individuals like rudy giuliani, sidney powell, and others, and donald trump of course. that this may be part of a major rico indictment of all

what does it mean, that both sidney powell and kenneth chesebro want to move up their trial? and is there any benefit to them in doing that? >> right, i think that for these particular defendants, they have a lot at stake. they are both practicing attorneys. you have to imagine that their livelihood is in limbo. based on these charges. they do have a reason to want to get them resolved as soon as possible. it also means that their case will be severed from the remaining codefendants who, although these two have requested a speedy trial, the judge can't force all 19 to go to trial in two months. those cases would be severed out. that also means that those cases, which are severed out, get kind of a sneak peek, right? at the evidence that is going to be presented in this case. although most of the evidence will be confined to the actions of these individuals, it is a rico case, so the state still has to make out the enterprise and the conspiracy. so some of that evidence will still come in in their trial. assuming -- and they may be tried together, since they both filed speedie

sidney powell asking for a speedy trial. presumably there will be more of these coming, with district attorney willis asking for a deadline, asking the judge to set a deadline on requests for speedy trial and severance so that we can see exactly who wants this. >> yeah, and i will just tell you, lawrence, this is a common motion that you see filed in any case involving coconspirators or codefendants charged together on some accomplice liability theory. everybody wants to be tried alone. what i thought was interesting about sidney powell's motion is that she's almost asking the judge to decide she's innocent, weighing the evidence that he hasn't heard. it again felt like another public statement kind of filings where she's trying to get her defense out in the public, because it's really not an appropriate thing for the court to consider if deciding whether or not a severance is appropriate. i do think that it will be a real challenge, however, to deal with these motions for a speedy trial, just because chesebro and -- want to

you have giuliani, you have sidney powell.heir actual relationship is at this point in time. people thought he was going to be a cooperator in the other matters. but having been named here is the key. ultimately, though, this court will look to make sure that the matters of justice are not fatally undermined by somebody saying listen, it would be a shame if -- it's a nice house you've got here, it would be a shame if anything happened to it. or i want you not to testify against me. or on twitter or truth social any way of making someone feel intimidated enough. what that threshold looks like can be different for every defendant. a generalized statement on truth social about an issue with the justice system or a complaint about a prosecutor or a complaint about him feeling railroaded, these are all things that might not rise to the level. however, a specified threat, a specified statement that would make somebody less likely to feel compelled or interested in testifying, that's a serious one. >> laura, i also want to take a ste

sidney powell, answer, yes.in the course of that discussion, did giuliani at any point say that he had another plan or a different plan to get access to machines? and he was going to do it voluntarily in georgia? answer, now ma you mention it. yes, i think that is correct. this sounds like people were a part of it and could be devastated threat to the case. >> absolutely. and i think one thing that is useful when you're reading that out, is to think about one of donald trump's defense de jure, which is discussion in aid of a crime. and that makes it not protected by the first amendment. so, you don't know -- if it was a break-in and collusive break-in as opposed to some permission that somebody honestly thought that this is collusive break-in to -- to try and tamper with those veets, that is a crime. and it is not a first amendment activity. so this will be very strong evident for her if they charge it as we suspect she will. >> all right. please go ahead. >> all right. first in terms of knowledge that it is gre

to do so. >> yes, they want to be removed from the bigger batch of the 19 co-defendants, and sidney powell'sshe said, i was not working as a trump campaign lawyer or on trump's behalf where in 2023, he said that he was going to be adding sidney powell to the team, and she said i never worked directly for the president and therefore, my case needs be tried separately from the president and the other 17 defendants. >> interesting legal maneuvering, and the break nudes that but even though he is not appearing to enter the not guilty plea, he is going to plead not guilty. >>> and now, with the biggest storm to hit the area in 130 years, the cleanup is beginning. >>> and if you planning to hit the road for the holiday weekend, expect toto pay more a the pump. it means you're gonna need more tide. -see? -ah. momore likes? more tide. everyone's. gonna. need. more.. tide!!! -you're gonna need- -more tide. this back-to-school season tide and downy are givingack with 1.5 million dollars in scholarships. enter to win. >> woman: why did we choose safelite? >> vo: for us, driving around is the only way w

jeffrey clark, sidney powell. they are listed or described very similarly to co-co co-conspirators. >> co-conspirator 1 our guess would be rudy giuliani. >> i think that's a safe guess. >> these kids individuals have not been charged with anything, evan perez? >> at least in this document they're not being charged with the former president, jake. it is possible that we may yet see indictments that they are being charged simply. that's something that is certainly in our reporting, we were prepared to see when this finally came to pass. we are expecting to hear in the next hour from the justice department from the special counsel jack smith. the justice department is going to have him issue a public statement. that is something we don't expect he is going to answer any questions. but at least again puts the face of someone from the justice department who is going to speak to the american public and explain why they've taken this extraordinary action, which is to indict the former president for things related to his

sidney powell also surrendered just moments ago. we have a reporter down there. we're going to get to them in a moment. joining us right now, lisa rubin. she's going to have a mic in a moment. you're here. >> i'm here. >> let's talk about rudy giuliani, can we? >> rudy giuliani, $150,000 bond. >> second highest of all the defendants so far, and you know, one of the things i thought was unusual about it was his georgia lawyer came today and said, we think it should be no higher than the president's bond, and it should be no higher than $100,000. don't negotiate against yourself. this guy sort of went out in the public and said what he thought the bond should be. it's not surprising that it came out higher than what he bid in the public domain. >> can we expect to see rules around what giuliani should and should not say. donald trump is very vocal, but rudy giuliani is vocal as well. >> he is, but the bond order is no different than it is for the other defendants, so he doesn't have some of that greater specificity. if our viewers will bear with me, as i catch my b

sidney powell and kenneth chesebro are asking a fulton county judge to sever their cases. both have denied any wrongdoing, and they have invoked their rights to a speedy trial. for chesebro, the judge has set a trial date for october 23rd, and no date for powell. the trump team have opposing the time line, and they say that trump wants to sever his case as well, though no motion has been filed. we go to katelyn polantz with the details. why the argument for separate trials? >> well, both of the lawyers who were working around donald trump after the 2020 election, they want distance from others. boris, in this case, there are 19 criminal defendants including donald trump. they are all accused of this sprawling racketeering criminal enterprise conspiracy, and what ken chesebro and sidney powell say they want to go to trial fast, and looked at by the jury separately from the other defendants, and the accusations levied against them are not things that pertain to them. so in this racketeering conspiracy there is 160 overt acts, and sidney powell is saying that she only knew ab

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jenna ellis, giuliani, and lawyer sidney powell, who authorities say pushed the conspiracy theory that voting machines were controlled by venezuela on election night. the leader hugo chavez, who by the way, was dead. all of them booked and charge ed today in fulton county. tomorrow, donald trump will turn himself in, after asking the secretary of state in georgia to find the 11,780 votes for him. here's our senior investigative correspondent aaron katersky in atlanta tonight. >> reporter: tonight, the man once known as america's mayor swarmed by reporters as he left the fulton county jail after he had his mug shot taken like a common criminal. >> this indictment is a travesty. >> reporter: today, many asking what happened to rudy giuliani. >> people like to say i'm different. i'm the same rudy giuliani that took down the mafia. >> reporter: but giuliani is now charged with the same crime he used to pursue the mob as a crusading u.s. attorney in new york, racketeering. the former mayor, who is said to be nearly broke, arrived in atlanta aboard a private plane. he is now free on a $150,0

three others accused in the plot also surrendered today including sidney powell.f president trump surrender, a mugshot will be taken. abc news will ever special report once that happens. you can watch starting around 5:00 our time, right here on abc 7 or your abc 7 news bay area app. ama: weather for live from our sutro tower camera. you may have felt it in the city. today was the warmest day in san francisco this year so far. dan: how are things shaping up for thursday? sandhya patel is here with your 20 forever -- 24 hour accuweather forecast. sandhya: more unseasonably warm weather tomorrow. we are holding onto the warmth right now. 70's and 80's for many parts of the bay area. over the next 24 hours, here's what you can expect. inland. 90's inland. the coast and bay will run cooler as we head toward the evening hours. temperatures will fall meal the coast. that sets the stage for bigger changes coming on friday. i will be back with those details, coming up here get dan: in the north bay, a health alert issued for anyone who might have done the popular tough mu

sidney powell's at $100,000. donald trump at $200,000. level people around trump and helping him after the election were facing. so that is quite a significant, stunning moment to have now that these 19 people have been charged and many of them, most have been arrested, gone into the jail and will proceed to trial. the two who have not, that we are truly waiting to see what happens, and we don't know exactly what will play out, are mark meadows and jeffrey clark. a judge has just said that jeffrey clark is not going to be able to avoid being arrested. he is going to have to either report self-surrender by friday or will face arrest, an arrest warrant from the district attorney in georgia. so clark, meadows, both trial to hold off their arrests this week. it is not a good time for them if they were thinking they wouldn't have to go to georgia. >> i want to bring in caroline. does all this indicate to you that prosecutors see rudy giuliani as a central player in this alleged conspiracy? >> absolutely, wolf. if you just read the indictment,

. >>> sidney powell became the second codefendant to file for a speedy trial. last night we spoke with sidney powell and why chesebro should be concerned. >> i think this is a problem for chesebro because he had made a creative gutsy move where his lawyer who, by the way, is quite a talented lawyer, seemed to believe if he could get paired off by himself, you know, he could have a good shot. now, i'm not sure i agree with that, but it is a strategic move, and i admire those. but now he's in a situation where he may have to go to trial with sidney powell, and i have to say of all the defendants in this entire case is the last person i would want to be alone in a courtroom with if i was another defendant. the problem she has is everything that she did was a lie. the evidence as to her claims -- you remember, she's so far afield, she's on the constellation voting machine side of this. she had a theory about dark money moving through cuba and china to impact the election. you know, even rudy, you know, characterized some of her theories as crackpot theories. so she

at this point, i this it's fair to assume we're talking about rudy giuliani, sidney powell, john eastmanadvising the president, and department of justice official jeff clark who features prominently in this indictment trying to basically become acting attorney general, launch a department of justice investigation into this. i would say that section in large part is the most damning. >> byron: governor, the latest polling shows trump with an overwhelming lead over the other republican challengers. do you think these new charges today are going to change any of that? >> i think he probably gets stronger. right or wrong, i think there's a sense, almost like a family. if a family member's under attack, you don't always agree with them, the family tends to circle around that person. i think you'll see more of that, even for those like desantis, pence, nicky daly, there's going to be a sense of holding rank to support someone they feel is being attacked by the left. the bigger issue is what is the impact with general election voters? i think there is going to be a sense going forward, if he do

just a couple of minutes ago we saw a new speedy trial demand from sidney powell, who is an attorneyffiliated with the trump campaign in the aftermath of 2020, who spread a lot of disinformation and falsehoods about the vote count in georgia and other swing states. under georgia's rules, somebody who files a speedy trial demand will basically have to go to trial in anywhere from two to four months, and the thinking among some attorneys i talked to not affiliated with the case is that sidney powell will likelyjoin kenneth chesebro, another attorney who was indicted as part of this case, when his trial begins on 23 october, that was just granted the other day. we spoke to former republican congress rodney davis yesterday about the co—defendants in this case and this is what he said. the other defendants along with the president, they will be bled dry by trying to afford attorneys, and if president trump is not going to help them through his fundraising mechanisms to pay for their legal fees, i would think they are probably going to say whatever it takes to get an agreement and get a pl

today, we also saw sidney powell, one of those attorneys working with donald trump in the aftermath of the 2020 election say that she wants a speedy trial in the fulton county superior court. another one of these defendants, ken chaz roe, previously told the judge that. he had his court date set for october of 2023. the judge, though, made clear he was setting that for chaz roe, not everyone.we will see what he does for this. >> sara, i mentioned the next major hearing in this case monday. tell us what we expect to see them. >> reporter: this is going to be interesting, because it's an evidentiary hearing for mike meadows to try to move his case to federal court he's also asked the federal court to just dismiss all the charges against him. so, we've seen people work flying ahead of this area, and we've seen the district attorney's office lining up potential witnesses that they could call as part of the case that they want to make. among them is brad raffensperger, the georgia secretary of state, the person trump pressured to find the votes needed for him to win the state of georgia. th

so with sidney powell and ken chesebro are asking is they want to be tried separately.peedy trial. the judge said october 23rd is going to be your trial date. chesebro is saying let's fwd and make it official and remove the other 30 some odd charges, counts that he's not charged with. get those out of the way because his attorney is arguing that would make for a fair trial. if he's not associated with the other 30 plus counts. now, for sidney powell, she's saying she has no other connection with any of the other 18 co-defendants and saying the only way she can get a fair trial is if she is tried separately. in fact, her attorney even said in the filing that to sit in a courtroom with 18 other defendants for weeks or even months would cause prejudice and would bar her from getting a fair trial in this situation, ryan. >> okay, blayne, thank you for your reporting on those topics, let's turn to another topic, carol, we have new reporting in from the new york attorneys general probe into donald trump finding that he's inflated his net worth by more than $2 billion in one y

he, sidney powell, and jenna ellis all booked today in atlanta. these are the attorneys who represented the former president through 61 failed challenges to the election that he lost. they're the ones that made countless false statements and unfounded claims on his behalf, and allegedly counseled him on actions that were legally or constitutionally dubious. three members of the bar, mr. giuliani, spoke with the press after his release. >> i am very, very honored to be involved in this case because this case is a fight for our way of life. this indictment is a travesty. if this can happen to me, who is probably the most prolific prosecutor maybe in american history and the most effective mayor for sure, it can happen to you. >> he was asked whether he still believes the 2020 election was rigged but either did not hear or chose not to answer the question. nor did he say who paid for his flight on a private jet to atlanta. giuliani told a court last week he's effectively out of clash. jeffrey clark and the former white house chief of staff found out

sidney powell surrendered at the jail today also.mber of defendants who have so far turned themselves in. sources telling cnn trump is expected to leave his new jersey home tomorrow afternoon to make his way down to georgia for his arrest there in fulton county. cnn's paula reid is live outside the fulton county courthouse. paula, giuliani spoke to reporters after his arrest. pretty defiant. >> reporter: he is defiant. he was in the sheriff's office for just under an hour, and as part of the processing, the surrender, he had a mugshot taken. that should be public in the next 24 hours or so. remarkable considering at one time he was one of the top prosecutors in the united states. now he's a criminal defendant with a mugshot. before he went to surrender at the sheriff's office, i his leg team was here meeting with the district attorney and negotiating the terms. his release. he has a $150,000 bond. he has to post a percentage in cash. he's also subject to certain restrictions in order to not be detained. among those restrictions, he c

sidney powell was fighting, mike flynn was fighting.were looking for avenues that would enable -- that would result in president trump remaining president trump for a second term. >> yeah, that's the halting sort of sing song of someone trying to figure out, do i just say, steal the election? do i say coup? it was finished. it was over. the electoral college voted. president biden was holding military meetings. made it clear they weren't going the take orders from a coup leader after january 20th. that's what that was all about. the january 6th committee according to prosecutors and legal experts, has clearly advanced all of this because they gathered all that testimony. a lot of it was clearly true, fact-checked, corroborated. that's how investigations work. they also gave these individuals a chance to respond, which is only fair to tell their side of the story. you can imagine for example being in a meeting and saying, i heard about idea. i was in the room, i didn't endorse the idea. i left the room, wrote a memo to self, et cetera. y

tim said, now representing bernie caric, when he told us this past hour about rudy giuliani and sidney powellnd what the lawyer told me to dork the lawyer told me to do it, let's watch. >> based on my representation of multiple people, and not just the president but also bernie caric, i will say that sidney powell is one of those lawyers that everything i've seen, she was putting out theories that she didn't have any backup for, and that was actually one of the things that, you know, this indictment makes it seem like rudy giuliani and sidney powell were shoulder to shoulder. everything i've seen is actually quite the opposite. >> we've seen some of these players first of all, beginning to separate, and is the lawyer made me do it, you know, is that a risky defense, because it could be waiving the attorney-client privilege and opening a whole can of worms? >> first question first, andrea, you often see co-defendants begin to separate. they had different levels of culpability and different levels of exposure, and to andrea's point, some of them make a calculation earlier than others that they

it said on august 25th, 2023, defendant sidney powell also filed a speedy trial demand. the state maintained its position that severance is improper at this juncture and all defendants should be tried together. but at an absolute minimum, the court should set defendant powell's trial and that of any other defendant who may file a speedy trial demand on the same day as defendant chesebro. but the argument that she's making, that the judge is going to have to consider, severance is improper. what is the basis of arguing that severance in a case like this is improper? >> so, ali, any time we indict a co-defendant case, the prosecutors have a keen interest in keeping all the defendants in the same trial. the defendants ordinary try to get themselves removed from or severed out of the joint trial. why is that? because any time co-defendants are tried separate from their fellow co-defendants, and i've had this happen many times as a prosecutor, they will make what they call the empty chair defense. so i could almost promise you that one of, for example, defendant cheesebro's d

in a court filing, an attorney for powell, sidney powell, is now arguing that she never represented trumpor his campaign. it might be curious to people why she is making that point and what it means because there's the anticipated defense from trump which is maybe advice of counsel that might be a part of this. what do you make of her statements? >> chesebro and ms. powell have good lawyers. i know them both. the motion, it looks to me like, they're trying to say, she is completely separate and distinct. it was not a coordinated effort. she was not doing things at his behest. she did not have a signed engagement letter. to make her the attorney of record. those allegations against her in this indictment, are minor, compared to some of the other allegations. she is charged with the coffee county part of the case. the voting machine and access to those things. a small slice of this case. she is not named in the massive -- in the sprawling fake elector scheme and the phone call to raffensperger and those things. those are other people. her lawyer is saying, look, separate her out. let us try

analysts believe they are former trump lawyers rudy giuliani, john eastman, and sidney powell, alongand lawyer kenneth chesebro. a sixth co—conspirator, described in the document as a political consultant, has not been identified. the indictment comes as mr trump is leading the polls for the republican nominee for president, far ahead of his leading rival florida governor, ron desantis. the latest new york times — sienna poll puts trump in a head—to—head with incumbent democratic presidentjoe biden. if the election were today, the polls show biden claiming

i think prosecutors will succeed in having sidney powell and chesebro tried together.o think if the other defendants, including the former president do not want that speedy trial and i do not think they do, they will have to sever those two off, try them in the next couple of months and try everyone else at some later date. >> jennifer, you as a former prosecutor, if you were prosecuting this case, would you find a speedy trial is at your advantage? >> you know, it's interesting. i'm sure prosecutors don't want to do it that soon. i think they probably want a little bit more time because there's a lot of evidence to prepare and put forward but they've been living with this case for two and a half years so they'll be ready. it will take them some time the next couple of months to get their ducks in a row but they don't have a choice if the defense asks to are it. they'll do what they need to do to be ready and i'm sure they'll put together a compelling case. >> separately tomorrow, another judge expects to set a trial date for trump's national election subversion case b

two of them, sidney powell, the lawyer we talked about and ken chesbro another pro-trump attorney want to hurry this up and want a speedy trial, the opposite of what donald trump wants. he wants to delay it as long as possible. you have mark meadows who is still trying to get this case moved to federal court, so a lot of moving pieces here. at the end of the day it does, you know, raise a lot of questions about can fani willis try all 19 defendants together as she wanted to or she will have to make a compromise? >> what do you expect and what are the challenges with juggling multiple trials, breaking some off from one another? >> so first of all, i do expect the judge ultimately to let some of these defendants have separate trials. it's not easy to have a trial with that many defendants in the first place, and as a practical matter, the judge can be in a difficult position when you have some defendants exercising their right to a speedy trial, which is unusual, but i think a valid tactic here for some of the defendants, and you have others who will say they need more time to prepare fo

among them top trump allies, like his former lawyers, rudy giuliani and sidney powell.oining me live is former us congressman rodney davis and new york times congressional reporter luke broadwater. just to get your impression. thank you forjoining us. what we have seen take place in atalanta today.— we have seen take place in atalanta today. frankly, it is becoming — atalanta today. frankly, it is becoming a _ atalanta today. frankly, it is becoming a common - atalanta today. frankly, it is - becoming a common occurrence at this point with the first few felony cases against donald trump, we can talk about how unprecedented it is and now it feels like there is a new criminal charge against him every couple of weeks. this is a fourth felony case brought against the former president. he has denied felony counts against him. the full weight of the law is being thrown at donald trump in four different jurisdictions, in four different criminal cases and in this case, we have 19 people charged in a racketeering offence which is a very serious charge. they usually brought again

number nine, trump retweeted sidney powell's lie about election fraud involving dominion. d that powell sounded, quote, crazy. lies 10 through 13 are about georgia, one of the swing states he lost. number ten, was that georgia had tens of thousands of ballots from dead people. the republican secretary of state had told trump directly on the infamous phone call they found two dead voter cases. number 11 is trump's lie that georgia had tens of thousands of ballots from people out of state. ra raf raf number 12, two election workers were caught on video stuffing the ballot box. top officials told him this was false, and the workers were doing their jobs. trump would not stop. he continues to repeat that lie this year, 2023, still going. number 13, trump's tweeted lie that he was unwilling or unable to address his various fraud claims on that call. he debunked the claims and in detail on that call. lie number 14, the false claim about a nefarious dump vote in michigan. he repeated this the day after barr directly explained to him what had happened in detroit was normal standard

but more importantly, it connected the dots between coffee county and the white house. >> sidney powellices of sullivan strickler. >> her involvement is what exposes the broader trump campaign's involvement in coffee county. >> reporter: powell advocated seizing voting machines with an executive order from trump at an explosive white house meeting in december 2020. >> another idea that was pitched during that meeting was raised by rudy giuliani and he thought that they could coerce or convince local election officials to voluntarily give their investigators access to voting systems. >> reporter: in other words, exactly what happened in coffee county on january 7th, 2021. >> i think when you start with the president of the united states saying the election was stolen, nothing is surprising to me. >> reporter: despite searching for evidence that would back up their theories of election fraud, there is no indication there were any voting irregularities discovered during the data breach. and to this day, we don't know where the data lives and how exactly the trump supporters plan to use it.

. >> sannieniola rudy giuliani is sidney powell. she said dominion voting machines were flipping votes for trump to bowers. >> the dominion voting systems were created in venezuela at the direction of hugo chavez to make sure he never lost an election. >> after she was sued by dominion, her attorney eventually conceded that she lied, saying no reasonable person would conclude that her statements were truly statements of fact. long before that happened, the attorney general, bill barr, was investigating all of trumps flawed fraud claims. >> he had lost the election. >> he made it clear to donald trump in a november 23 meeting that he had lost. >> our role was to investigate fraud. is just not meritorious. they are not panning out. >> he was going to win in spite of all the fraud. >> spurred on by the most ardent election liars, including many in maga media, donald trump would not listen to reason or fact. >> where is the doj and fbi in all of this mr. president? >> missing in action. >> they got under my skin. i felt it was time to s

i mean, going together in a trial with sidney powell, does that help or hurt cheesesebro? 't think it matters. in a rico case you are basically charged in all of the acts in furtherance of the conspiracy. even if powell goes with him, we're going to see all of the entire acts in this conspiracy trial in the fulton county court. even if donald trump is not physically present, allegedly we'll see evidence of that when this case goes to trial, regardless if he's sitting at that defendant's table and regardless of how many are with him. >> do you see any way that these legal cases and maybe the trials, maybe the pretrial motions, maybe the evidence that comes out of other people's trials helps add to his vote total from 2020, which is basically what he would do in order to win or is he relying on just depressed support for president biden? >> that really is the key point. as we said, in the republican context, so far this is benefiting him, in part because the other candidates have failed to try to use what should be a pretty powerful cudgel against him and in effect have given

it is indicted as part of the rico conspiracy along with the alleged voting data breach led by sidney powell on behalf of donald trump. you are looking at the rico case. it's strong, it's long running and there are a lot of defendants more nervous today than they were when they woke up yesterday. i want to bring in our experts tonight. a man who has tried rico cases in georgia, jay tom morgan, former district attorney for dekalb county, neighboring fulton county, and back with us, professor melissa murray from nyu law. welcome to both of you. rico is broad and in some ways if you do the federal and state history, it's complicated. i went through both all the way back to the mafia hearings in the '50s and '60s and what they wanted to do. congress said okay, you guys are ducking and weaving. and you have this guy money laundering and this guy over here and this guy had a restaurant, and we're going to sweep it all in. it worked, it busted about the five families. what do you think of the way the d.a. is now using this as a strong case against so many trump defendants who according to the d.a.

have scott hall tied to the system breach, misty hampton tied -- the election supervisor, also sidney powellump's lawyer, all related to the story. talk about the revelation that just came out around an actual breach of an electoral machine and why this is so significant in this case, michael. >> in the indictment, fani willis calls what happened at coffee county a case of computer theft. this was an operation that actually took place after january 6. still determined to try to find some way, somehow, trump's team believed if they could get access inside to the software, inside dominion election machines, they could find the fraud this sidney powell had talked about, the venezuelan socialist chinese kindness were manipulating the votes on how -- if they could just get inside those dominion meetings. but that was protected. there were instructions to all election officials in georgia they may not release publicly disclosed that data. it was sensitive election technology, proprietary. could not be publicly released. they found a few trump-friendly officials at the local official who "invited t

sidney powell has joined ken chesebro in requesting trials. had in response to the request, fulton county district attorney fani willis wants all at the end of october. but the defense team for former president trump is trying to delay the start. trump and his 18 co-defendants are facing a variety of charges, including racketeering and conspiracy. they all vsurrendered ahead of yesterday's noon deadline. this morning one of the 19 co-defendants remains in the fulton county jail. last night a judge declined to set bond for harrison floyd, a leader of black voices for trump. during a hearing, he told the judge he could not afford to hire an attorney. the judge informed him he didn't meet the eligibility requirements for obtaining a public defender. cnn's jeremy herd is tracking all the the developments. what's next in the case? >> now that we have all 19 defendants surrendered, we get into this sprawling situation of what comes next and how the process of this trial plays out. it's complicated because, as you said, not all 19 defendants want the

so it's an interesting dynamic because if chesebro and sidney powell are convicted, you'll see other defendants running into fani willis trying to cooperate and cut a deal because they will see that the evidence played well in georgia. >> that's my question. let's say october 23rd trial date who holds and discovery starts being produced. do you start to think we get other defendants who perhaps maybe want to cut a deal seeing what's out there, but also what happens in the case of chesebro or sidney powell? >> i think absolutely that's a good point. not all 19 will go to trial together. in fact, you have one of the defendants who is being held without bond right now sitting in waiting to get an attorney. that usually facilitates somebody to cut a deal. once you sit in jail, it's not a pleasant experience. you start trying to work something out with prosecutors, which includes cooperation. and i think this point wasn't really being made. when everybody took a mug shot in jail and walked through the jail, that's really a wakeup call when you're walking through a jail. having represented

he's now criminally charged with conspiring to do and those people are rudy giuliani, jo eastman, sidney powell, kenneth and jeffrey clark, a lawyer and also a justice department official, those individuals not only were working to carry forward the disinformation but take on aspects that donald trump was alleging to use different aspects, they were all involved in different aspects of what donald trump was trying to do after the election. the sixth co-conspirator is not named at this time. we don't know the person's name. all of these people are not charged, however that doesn't mean that this investigation has ended. here's what jack smith the special counsel said yesterday. >> since the attack on our capitol the department of justice has remained committed to ensuring accountability for those responsible for what happened that day. our investigation of other individuals continues. >> so the investigation is ongoing, clearly a signal to some of these conspirators they could face charges in the future and john eastman sending out a statement acknowledging that he's indicted he will go to trial