>> yeah, i saw claims that i can confidently same through sidney powell.as helping to push a mathematical theory they were trying to apply the state of pennsylvania to prove voterer fraud and that was wrong. it was about 16, so this is a pattern. all the numbers were hyperinflated because the people who did the analysis didn't understand what they were looking at andth they didn't understand how to make sure they weren't making errors and identifying un consistently acre board there was a lack of understanding of what people were looking at and that's why most of the claims were false. ook, ken block is the author, disproven, unbias search for voter fraud for the trump campaign, the data that shows how he lost and how we can improve our elections. it's your turn to ask your questions, give us your comments about what you've heard about voter fraud and have ken block respond. he's our guest here this morning. before we get to calls, though, which states did you focus on this book? >> it's swing state. geor nevada, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania. >> all r

talk about sidney powell and the nonpficollect money. d industry that has arisen even before the 2020 electn, powell, the poster child for this. she is a lawyer and the author of terrible losses that she even admitted nobody should have taken seriouy bue which is a rr a lawyer to put a lawsuit out into the court system. she has paid a professional press for having done that. monetarily, she has made a lot of money. she has raised north of $16 because of the work she has done in bringing forward these losses on behf of preside trump that based on her own admission have no real validity to them. there are others. one of my periods is a data guy named matt who is bad analytics trip in georgia. they were everywhere. they were in pennsylvania. they made the mistake of looking at the euro of birth and name and saying tt on in two differe. in georgia, a legislature -- legislature challenged him and took of matches in georgia and he reached up and contact the people at those addresses, they were two different people who happened to share the same

trump lawyers kenneth chaz roe, john ellis, and sidney powell have all pleaded guilty in the ongoing criminal case in georgia for their roles in that scheme. eastman, along with jeffrey clark and rudy giuliani, is still awaiting trial in that case. while, jeffrey clark is facing discipline from the d.c. bar, rudy giuliani has had his law license suspended, and giuliani is also on the hook for $148 million in damages that he owes to georgia poll workers he defamed. rudy giuliani and sidney powell are still facing defamation lawsuits from the voting machine companies dominion and smart maddock. so, it's seemingly taken forever, but the people involved in this are actually starting to be held accountable for pushing the big lie. that doesn't put the genie back in the bottle. recent polling from the washington post shows that more americans now believe the 2020 election was rigged than they did in 2021. i should stop to say, here, as clearly as possible, there is absolutely no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election. but even if you were to look at the very few instances

i knocked down as sidney powell- sponsored claim of fraud. bumped into several of the same analysts across multiple different claims, who were doing really bad work and providing the people paying them for the work awful data. that is what happened. >> mentioning powell and eastman brings me to this question. you write the you were surprised by how many campaign lawyers were skeptical of trump's claims. including alex cannon, the attorney that hired you and protected your identity but others, a group of lawyers led by rudy giuliani, they were not particularly concerned whether the fraud claims are true. describe for me the divide within the trump campaign. ultimately, where the skeptical lawyers drowned out by the rudy giuliani contingent? >> yes and no. rudy giuliani, sidney powell, john eastman and others were very hard at work impugning elections with claims that were at best, shaky. at worst, outright lies like rudy giuliani's claim of ruby friedman committing election crimes. alex cannon took the totality of my findings, which was that w

guest: i saw■■ claims that i can confidently say came through sidney powell. to push a mathematical theory to prove voter fraud, and that was wrong. i saw a claim that life and able to piece together and pretty sure came from john eastman 16,002 pickett votes in nevada. this is a pattern. all the numbers were hyperinflated because the people who did the analysis didn't understand what they were looking at and they didn't understand how to make >> your book, "disproven." it is your turn to ask question. before we get to calls, which states did you focus on in this book? guest: georgia, arizona, nevada, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania. host: in point pleasant bod mor. caller:seen you on tv. there is nothing you can say about the seven states you are talking about, they changed their unconstitutionally. you cannot tell me that is not right. rudy giuliani had affidavits from poll workers and the judges didn't take them up, they said they lacked standingyou keep cu, to get the same number. they weree votes. that is what happened. host: please hang on the line and

>> i saw claims i can confidently say itt sidney powell. she was helping to push mathematical were trying to apply the entire state of pennsylvania to prove voter d i saw a claim i've been up to piece together pretty sure it amcame from jon eastman 16000 claim duplicate votes in nevada. it was about 16. this is a pattern all of the numbers were hyperinflated because the people who did thealysis did not understand what they were looking at and they did not understand how to make sure they were not making errors in identifying the person board. there is a lack of understanding of what people were looking at block is the author disproven my unbiased search for voter fraud for the trump campaign the data that shows why he lost and how we can improve our elections and have it can block respond he is our guest here this morning. before wewhich state did you focus on this book? quick swing states we all knowok by heart georgia arizona nevada wisconsin michigan, pennsylvania pickwick let's cisco joseph in point pleasanttho beach. good morning to yo

it will end >> decide that he's now on i mean, it's rudy giuliani, jeffrey clark, jenna ellis, sidney powell, like all of these attorneys who were in trump's orbit and those final critical few weeks when he was trying to not leave office i mean, it's kind of remarkable to see the culmination of the big picture of it to really look, it's not lawyers fine. his day as a profession, hopefully it will be a lesson to people, but if you tick through it, you have people who are indicted in fulton county moos of those lawyers you just named, you have several of them including eastman had been named i'm just coconspirators not charged in jack smith's case, you have several who have now lost their law licenses. you have people who've been sued civilly. so there's real accountability coming home to roost will infer john eastman. >> some of these attorneys are not actually practicing. he still he is currently a practicing attorney them even though he will appeal this, i've truly zero doubt about i mean, he can't practice law right now. yeah. not to state the obvious. that's a big deal to lose your law li

guest: i saw claims that i can confidently say came through sidney powell. hoping to push a mathematical theory to prove voter fraud, and that was wrong. i saw a claim that life and able to piece together and pretty sure came from john eastman with 16,002 pickett votes in nevada. this is a pattern. all the numbers were hyperinflated because the people who did the analysis didn't understand what they were looking at and they didn't understand how to make >> your book "disproven." it is your turn to ask questions and have ken block respond. he is our guthest before we get to calls, which states did you focus on in this book? guest: georgia, arizona, nevada,wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania. host: in point pleasant beach good morning to you. caller: i have seen you on tv. there is nothing you can say about the seven states you are talking about, they changed their laws unconstitutionally. you cannot tell me that is not right. rudy giuliani had affidavits from poll workers and the judges didn't take them up, they said they lacked standing. you keep cutting the s

messages alone and the roadmap of those text messages, is how many times these individuals like sidney powell invited to places like the conservative partnership institute like mike lee. we have talked to senators and congressmen on the way forward. that was between november 9th and the 24th. 30 or close to three dozen congressional leaders talking about how to strategize and overturn the election. the number of conspiracy theories and frankly all the talk that came over was so insane. i talk about bourbon texts because i had to have a drink after reading them. you have these congressional representatives that were pushing this are going to encrypted chats. saying, we have to discuss this on signal? why are you an elected representative and having to go to encrypted chats talking about overturning an election. to know what their one hope is? that donald trump gets reelected. that is there one hope. i don't know, after three and a half years, are we at that accountability stage? we have the 1200 or so charging documents for those that rated the capital. how about the people and the judgment th

sidney powell have pled guilty to election related crimes.and now tomorrow, another one of trump's white house advisors peter navarro is due to report to start serving his sentence in federal prison. it's not like manafort is the only one in stripes. you sign up for the trump campaign and they ask you what side they should make your jump suit. he has surrounded himself with people who are very comfortable with the criminal side of the ledger. manafort because of his background stands apart as a very specific kind of criminal in donald trump's world. as such, there's one last aspect of this. the part of it that we won't believe years from now when we look back on a news day like this and say, do you believe this happened? and the last part of this i would just ask you to consider as the very specific time it is. as in what happened today. what paul manafort went to prison for what he was found to be to have done when he rose up out of russia, to make money for putin. on the same day that donald trump also announces that he is out of money. and

two trump lawyers kenneth chesebro and sidney powell have pleaded guilty to election related crimes. and now tomorrow peter navarro is due to report to start serving his sentence in federal prison. it's not like manafort is the only one in stripes, right? that's how these guys role. t you sign up for the trump p campaign, they ask you what sizh should they make your jumpsuit. but even apart from all the pa indictments of trump himself, he has surrounded himself with people who are very comfortabled with the criminal side of the ledger. manafort because of his background stands apart as a very specific kind of criminal in donald trump's world. and as such, there is just one last aspect of this that is h,t truly amazing, that it's like -- the part of it that we won't in believe years from now when we look back on a news day like this and say do you believe thia happened?ay and the last part of this, i would just ask you to consider is the very specific timing, as in what happened today. what paul manafort went to prison for, what he was found to have done when he inexplicably rose up o

we've seen sidney powell get up there and say election fraud, election fraud. where is she now? she pled guilty in georgia. same with chess borrow. there is no evidence. if there was evidence of election fraud, we would have seen it by now. the fact that this continues to come up is just incredibly disappointing that it's happening at this level. >> you know, i want to play this sound bite from last night, and i want to get your thoughts on the other side, rinato. i think this is also indicative of not only the sort of ridiculous nature of these lawsuits, but how they're not really sitting well with the american public. i want to play this clip. >> former president trump's lawyers said that trump is unable to pay the $464 million bond in his new york civil fraud case. his defense, how is a billionaire supposed to come up with half a billion dollars? come on. do the math. >> trump's lawyers today told the court they can't find anyone to put up the $454 million bond he needs to cover that he owes the state of new york. they said they approached around 30 bond companies. none of th

right, and being close with the trump campaign, and it is not as if they went out and hired like a sidney powellone like that. and she hasn't been indicted for this. and a lot of people have, right, that were in trump world. but ultimately the problem is that the audience doesn't want it. and these are businesses. and you have to think about that, as well. your hosts don't want it, and you have spent years talking about this particular day and the months leading up to it as being kind of a holy grail moment for representing what the maga movement is about and going about against free and fair elections, so i think ultimately they ended up with the right decision for their business because their audience isn't going to stand for eight. people will not watch that. >> jesse: i don't know if that is true because when i am doing book signings, judge, i hear from people, oh, when jessica is on, i can't stand, i change the channel -- no one changes the channel. the number one show. this show on television. you know what i am saying. people like the dynamic. >> judge jeanine: and that's the whole point

. >> jessica: you are telling me what donald trump and rudy giuliani and sidney powell and everyone elsessica: disenfranchising voters, which donald trump was going to do. >> jeanine: the court just said that congress has the power -- >> jessica: is jamie raskin not in congress? >> jeanine: not even getting out of committee. in addition to that, section three was drafted to ensure an enduring union, not to separate us, and they still need to have the ability to decide whether or not there has been an insurrection. donald trump has never been charged nor convicted of insurrection. so we are going to do two things, neither of which will happen before this thing can be issued. >> bill: i have court stuff to get to come if you will allow me. the president is recruiting the cookie monster. he is going to wage his war on shrinkflation and you are about to hear about that when we come back. ♪ ♪ the day you get your clearchoice dental implants makes every day... a "let's dig in" day... mm. ...a "chow down" day... a "take a big bite" day... a "perfectly delicious" day... - mm. [ chuckles ] - ...a

south carolina plantation, owned by lynnwood, one of the -- where a lot of the trump lawyers, sidney powell including michael flynn, were gathering, concocting these wild conspiracy theories that were then used by trump and his lawyers to promote their stop the steal project. it had nothing to do with fani willis. it was quite significant, there are audio recordings that we have in the book. >> michael -- i want to pause for a moment. the fight the fact that you expertly explained the information, the way and when it was presented by the attorney, harry mcdougal, i want to play it for folks to remind them of how this all went down, the quoting of your book, then we'll come back. >> sure. >> the second conflict is her political ambition, for which she was -- judgment bernie. that is also present in this book. the inside flap of this book says, they were given, quote, exclusive access to thousands of secret documents, emails, text messages, and audio recordings. the court has twice tonight the motions to unseal special purpose grand jury materials. she helped herself to get the glory of this

sidney powell, jenna ellis have pleaded guilty. we've got all of them. stephanie lambert in michigan just got arrested last week. one of the takeaways from this is that the bar association was put up as an institution and said we are going to do our part in this. >> what was so insidious was the panel for chaz roe and eastman. and powell who was doing pr more than actual law. what they said was colorable legal claims. jeffrey clark, as well. they were trying to cloak all of this in the language not of open insurrection against the united states of america or an attempt to topple democracy which is what they were trying to do but procedural mechanics about all of this. in that respect, it strikes me as very important. the bar association is saying these arguments are not just arguments of the margin that is sort of interesting. they are not doing well. they're doing something else that violates the ethical duty you have is a lawyer. >> people who study the way that democracies turn into authoritarian systems of government in policing essentially what you

remember, she was the one who hosted that press conference at the rnc, with sydney powell, where sidney powelloxic lies about this, and this was sponsored by ronna mcdaniel as head of the rnc, who then tweeted out videos of this, as far as i know, it's still up on the web. so ronna mcdaniel is not just somebody who had an opinion about this, she was an active enabler and co-conspirator in this attempt to overturn the election. >> i appreciate you both. thank you for standing up for democracy and charlie sykes and i were on opposite sides, he is a real conservative not the trump fake kind and the kind that i deeply respect. thank you very much, charlie and molly. >>> next, a big announcement that you do not want to miss. you don't want to miss it. come right back, we will tell you on the other side of you onthe break. t. voices of people with cidp: cidp disrupts. cidp derails. let's be honest... all: cidp sucks! voices of people with cidp: but living with cidp doesn't have to. when you sign up at shiningthroughcidp.com, you'll find inspiration in real patient stories, helpful tips, reliable inf

and that is not all, rudy giuliani, john ellis, sidney powell, and others office similar license consequences is kyle chaney, senior legal affairs reporter at politico and former acting assistant attorney general at the justice department. >> she is also the co-host of a wonderful podcast, prosecuting donald trump, and she is an msnbc legal analyst, welcome. >> so, mary, kyle, it seems like the only accountability we are going to get for some of these other people who were in the trump world and allegedly orchestrated some of these election interference schemes is going to be pretty is professional just and procedures. what can we learn from these procedures, what are the kinds of findings that the judges are making here, and what can they tell the american public about the events of january 6 and those who are alleged to have been responsible for them? >> you know, they don't have the fanfare of the criminal cases and criminal trials we have been anticipating, but in a way, these are the trials of what happened leading up to january 6th, the trial of donald trump's attempt to overturn the el

sidney powell, jenna ellis, and kenneth chesebro have all pleaded guilty in the georgia case. eastman and clark have pleaded not guilty and jeffrey clark's proceedings are still ongoing. in fact, he took the stand today. he pleaded the fifth. he didn't answer any questions. now, erica asked for john eastman. of course, we just got that ruling in from the california judge recommending disbarment. what happens next is the california supreme court will have to decide whether to endorse or reject that recommendation and officially disbar eastman. but of course, this step from the judge is very significant after that lengthy fact fighting, finding trial that lasted 34 days and in the meantime, erica eastman has been ordered to pay a $10,000 fine, and while the supreme court of the state of california considers this in three days, his law license will in fact, b. suspended, or the supreme court decides exactly what to do. >> wow really appreciate jessica. thank you. >> outfront. now, david cay johnston, pulitzer prize winning investigative journalist, who's covered donald trump for

you've got linwood, sidney powell, jeffrey clark, kenneth chesebro, rudy giuliani. you have to wonder, is the law closing in on trump if it's going through his lawyer? hers as well, reminds and thank you so much, laura coming up and all hands on deck kind of moment. and in 2024 campaign, can his former boss present brock obama, turn the tide for now president joe biden will talk about it next. >> seven astronauts setting off on a scientific mission, columbia used in check. >> i didn't know anything concerning it happened there were people that did though >> the space shuttle accident, it's usually not one thing, it's a series of events >> you follow the debris. what's it telling you >> it should have had that test on day one we need to figure out what the hell happened >> space shuttle columbia. fine. flight and beer sundayay, apriril 7 at nine cnn n tax x >> seasoson is huntiting seasonr identitity thieveses, which isi tax frfraud was upup 30% l last. live locock alerts y you, and ws to f fix problemems with a dedicacated restororation agene life blockck, identityt

judge mcafee had previously denied chesebro and sidney powell similar first amendment dismissal attempts. so i wonder if you think that means it's probably denied this one. >> i think he will probably denied this for the very same ground what trump is trying to argue is that speech that facilitates a crime is somehow protected but there is substantial supreme court decision and federal case law that all holds to the contrary speech if it's used let's do facilitated crime is part of that crime and it may serve as a basis for an indictment. i think the trial judge understands that in my guess is we'll acknowledge that in his ruling >> his lawyers who may understand that as well, you would expect that they would and that they know they're fighting an uphill battle here is the trump team's goal, really just to delay >> that's my perception. some of the arguments that they're raising are either silly are hard to follow. notice that last exchange you just had on the show where the judge was having real trouble trying and follow with the lawyer we're saying because i think what trump's lawyers

that came to their attention that others brought to the table and i looked at fraud claims from sidney powell. i looked at fraud claims for john eastman and i was able to prove with data that they were false. i convinced the campaign's lawyers, alex cannon in particular, that every one of the claims that came to me was false. i showed him why he went to mark meadows and said we evaluated every claim that was sent to us. those that were evolved data. we looked at them, we know they're false. here's why they were false. we'd looked for fraud. we didn't find very many deceased voters. we just didn't find anything and mark meadows response to that was that means there's no there there when it came to voter fraud and then we know that mark meadows took that information straight to trump >> and yet this didn't end the assault on the elections, didn't end the thought process. the narrative it sounds as though they wanted you to reverse engineer something, but there was no there there was no there there there was no there there. and to be clear, i wouldn't have signed the contract if i was customed d

led to for guilty pleas, including the crack and attorney of the former president, jenna ellis, sidney powell, scott hall. can chesebro for all of those individuals have already pleaded guilty and fani willis gets to continue and march on with this progress. he's already made to this point. we have not heard from the fulton county district attorney's dolphins, but we could only imagine that behind us they are celebrating this as a huge win and we know that because the defense attorneys, they haven't commented on this. we've asked steve sadow who sent us this motion. we've asked ashleigh merchant, who also forwarded this ruling to comment on this on the record and they have not said yet what their reaction is. and that's a big indicator that this is a hue which when again, for fulton county district attorney fani willis and her team, john nick valencia. thank you so much and may take it from here. let's go now to laura coates. laura there are these two ideas. one is whether there was actual proof of impropriety and the other idea that is brought into this case, which the judge mentioned is the

today you've gotten sidney powell can chesebro, rudy giuliani, jenna ellis, just to name a few, by the way. >> and that's that's a lot of lawyers. i mean, when you consider a criminal case to have retain their bar licenses because many of them are facing disciplinary proceedings. so it has been interesting to see the role of lawyers before president trump and for the campaigns being charged so broadly in this investigation. >> and of course, you know, that ellie here because the idea that you are a lawyer does not somehow inoculate you from criminal activity if you weren't yourself engaged in criminal activity, that goes from the privileges as well. i want to bring you in here. elie honig, because i want people to really understand as well the fake electors who is being alleged here, mr. schafer. what is the significance of him in the overarching ability to prove a case for rico. >> so he is alleged in the indictment to really be sort of the mastermind or at least the overseer of the georgia effort to submit this false slate of electors. and what his attorneys arguing here really is tw