guest: i saw claims that i can confidently say came through sidney powell. she was hoping to push a mathematical theory to prove voter fraud, and that was wrong. i saw a claim that life and able to piece together and pretty sure came from john eastman with 16,002 pickett votes in nevada. this is a pattern. all the numbers were hyperinflated because the people who did the analysis didn't understand what they were looking at and they didn't understand how to make >> your book, "disproven." it is your turn to ask questions and have ken block respond. he is our guest this morning. before we get to calls, which states did you focus on in this book? guest: georgia, arizona, nevada, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania. host: in point pleasant beach, good morning to you. caller: i have seen you on tv. there is nothing you can say about the seven states you are talking about, they changed their laws unconstitutionally. you cannot tell me that is not right. rudy giuliani had affidavits from poll workers and the judges didn't take them up, they said they lacked standing.

guest: i saw claims that i can confidently say came through sidney powell. she was hoping to push a mathematical theory to prove voter fraud, and that was wrong. i saw a claim that life and able to piece together and pretty sure came from john eastman with 16,002 pickett votes in nevada. this is a pattern. all the numbers were hyperinflated because the people who did the analysis didn't understand what they were looking at and they didn't understand how to make >> your book, "disproven." it is your turn to ask questions and have ken block respond. he is our guest this morning. before we get to calls, which states did you focus on in this book? guest: georgia, arizona, nevada, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania. host: in point pleasant beach, good morning to you. caller: i have seen you on tv. there is nothing you can say about the seven states you are talking about, they changed their laws unconstitutionally. you cannot tell me that is not right. rudy giuliani had affidavits from poll workers and the judges didn't take them up, they said they lacked standing.

i mean, well this is gleick boilerplate banana is, but it's more than that because sidney powell is not just a bananas conspiracy theorist. she is a defendant in the georgia criminal case, as is mark meadows, who is the recipient of this. so she is intimately involved with people who are under criminal indictment in connection with this very case >> it also >> raises the question what was she saying with sidney powell had what were the nature of her conduct? its context, it she did give a deposition to the january 6 committee, but they didn't really get the idea. the ginni thomas has never had a conversation with her husband about the banana conspiracy theories. i mean, that's just seems insane. what is pro-trump attorney john eastman, who used to be a clerk of thomas. how does he play into all this? well, he he is in the process of >> being disbarred and he is also a defendant in this in the georgia case he the he is facing consequences. it is unclear to me whether ginni thomas should face any legal consequences, but even if she was just exercising her first amendment rights, which she

it also raises the question, what was she saying with sidney powell? how what were the nature of her conduct, its context it she did give a deposition to the january 6 committee, but they didn't really get the idea. the ginni thomas has never had a conversation with her husband about the banana conspiracy theories. i mean, that's just seems it's insane. what is pro-trump attorney john eastman who used to be a clerk of of of thomas. how does he play into all this? well, he >> he is in the process of being disbarred and he is also a defendant in this in the georgia case. >> he the he is facing consequences it is unclear to me whether ginni thomas should face any legal consequences. >> but even >> if she was just exercising her first amendment rights, which he certainly has the right to do. it gravely implicates her husband in a conflict of interest that is just so obviously egregious. but as i said, no one can do anything about it unless thomas himself decides to recuse himself, which he clearly will not do because they granted certiorari in the case. he

so, you can't go around sounding like sidney powell, unless you are trump. at the same time, republicans are kind of caught in a bind because they can't say the truth that the election was not stolen from donald trump, that 7 million more americans chose joe biden over trump because trump was a bad president and a better person, who a majority of americans rejected twice. so, that brings us to the slightly more respectable version of the stolen election conspiracy, what i like to call the gentleman's big lie. you are probably familiar with it. we've been hearing it since the last election. >> worried about pennsylvania, which is a state that i have been focused on, objected to as a mixable of why people are concerned, millions of americans are concerned about our election integrity. last year, pennsylvania elected officials passed a whole new law that allows universal mail in balloting and did it regardless of what the pennsylvania constitution said. >> this election was not stolen, do you accept that fact? >> well, what i would say is that the debate over w

the wake of the 2020 election, you know, talking about releasing the kraken in connection with sidney powellof course one of the individuals who promoted these conspiracy theories, appeared at the rnc denying the election of 2020 saying it was stolen by, you know, dead dictators overseas, and all sorts of out there conspiracy theories that, you know, she was claiming. there's also a post from this individual or appeared to be associated with this individual saying i love you@realdonald trump. other posts show that he was suspicious of the vaccine mandate, and then there's a telegram account that you mentioned sort of up top, that linked to qanon. this telegram account that appears to belong to the individual using a bunch of things that have been matched up between his other social media profiles and telegram account, appears at one point subscribed to a number of qanon telegram groups where ugly conspiracy theories are being spread that are really having a major impact on law enforcement, so, you know, the image of what was going on with this individual is still, i think, sort of shaping up

we know about sidney powell and john eastman, who just got disbarred.uliani, who is obviously not in very good position. how the mighty have fallen. but the point of this interview and doing it with univision was about latino support and making sure that he sure is that up and he is down -- it was up 29 points with latinos the first year in office and that edge isd crime. he is doing better on them but obviously got ground to make up, and it's interesting that this came out yesterday and we have the ruling taking us back to 1864 in arizona about abortion because latino votes in nevada and arizona are what are going to be really crucial there. 57% of hispanics say abortion should be legal in all or most cases and donald trump is out there defending his stance of, you leave it to the states -- she did say today i won't support a federal abortion ban. he said before that he supports a 15 or 16 week man so i don't know if you will be consistent with that. the democrats are going to make that a centerpiece of this conversation, as they should. yeah. >> greg:

case and there are multiple unindicted co-conspirators like mark meadows and rudy giuliani and sidney powell, john eastman and jeffrey clark, the corrupt former doj official. it means they'll be indicted at some point in the future. >> they can't indict until some of these people flip on them? >> i think the reason jack smith is waiting in the d.c. case is because he wants to bang out the trump case, resolve it. then he'll go after the unindicted co-conspirators, but just because you're an an unindicted co-conspirator doesn't necessarily mean you'll be indicts, a lot of moving pieces. >> not necessarily, but he's now facing this on top of 88 criminal charges. if you were on donald trump's big legal team, some in new york tomorrow, some in d.c., what are you telling him tonight? >> please don't fire me, but in addition to that, look, this does -- >> why would he? he needs them now more than ever. >> no. but it's a good way to get a delay. >> explain that. >> one thing someone does for a last gasp effort to get a delay is fire their counsel which they're permitted to do and say i've got my new

november 19th, sounds like sidney, sidney powell and her team are getting evidence of fraud.. release the kraken and save us from the left. two of the people in these texts are already indicted in the state of georgia. the idea that the husband of that woman, she spent 29 messages like that, to mark meadows alone -- >> donald trump as you were starting out has attacked judge marshawn for being conflicted and shouldn't be sitting on this case. said the same thing with respect to fani willis the d.a. in georgia. these are people he has no problem attacking them as being cob conflicted. clarence thomas' wife was at the ellipse at the key event before the january 6th attack. she was texting, as you noted, back and forth with the chief of staff, mark meadows. the idea that he is going to -- doesn't have the decency to -- when you think about the -- how the public has been perceived the supreme court -- >> yeah. >> the harm to the supreme court from his sitting on this case, to say that there would be no appearance of impropriety, that you wouldn't have that and that no reasonable

sidney powell and kenneth chesebro you interview johnny's been last year do you think his financial situation? could affect his approach to the charges he's facing in georgia? >> i doubt it. and the reason why i say that is because when i spoke to him last year as all this stuff was still underway, this proceeding was still underway. he was quite strident and i think even to this day, he really has not acknowledged any kind of error or mistake or note of contrition throughout this whole proceeding. he seems to want to fight this until the last possible opportunity. and if you can't pay for his lawyers, many people can pay for lawyers. they get public defenders, right? >> all right. let's hop from georgia to florida when it comes to the classified documents case before judge aileen cannon there are questions about her conduct in this case. some people wonder if she's just inexperienced she was only confirmed at the end of 2020, former trump white house attorney could ty cobb is not fully buying the idea that this is just inexperienced. and again, before i run this clip, i just want to remind p

part of the multi-prong larger attack on the institution, you'd look at the fraud that folks like sidney powell were spreading and that's what these lawsuits were based upon. and this what these fake electors are alternate electors were supposedly put in place let's contingent just in case one of these cases were to be successful. but they still sent the paperwork into washington, dc. it was still used to try to pressure the vice president into certifying their slate of electors or maybe sending it back to the state legislators, or even putting pressure on the state legislatures. and that's what you've seen us indictment, is that pressure campaign? at the state level on the vice president and unindicted coconspirator number one, the former president being involved in this action? >> yeah, it's a really remarkable snapshot of something that clearly was a much bigger plan. marcus, you worked extensively on the january 6 committee, of course. today they honestly historic de these arguments at the supreme court to hear whether the any former president any president should be completely immune, at l

sidney powell, she's indicted. agenda ella, she's indicted both pled guilty. rudy giuliani, i mean, it's it's really hard to think of an example of someone who is represented trump and come out of it with their financial situation intact. they're professional reputation intact their exposure to crimes intact. it's a grueling job, it's a tough gig and here we're going to end up with a situation where this guy is going to take the stand against his former client depending on what happens with the case. >> and also the original attorneys who were working on these two cases when they were still investigations and not actual cases. they're all gone from the legal team. john rally, jim, trustee. now, i've corcoran, all those names are not going to be the ones taking this to trial. now, i mean, trump cycle through lawyers. we have seen this over and over and over again. this goes back frankly, many, many years, but certainly at least from when he's from the time when he was president on, he cycled through lawyers during the molar investigation. he cycled through the

this is no rudy, this is no sidney powell. they're both experienced courtroom operators there tacticians, todd, if anything, is soft spoken and sort of understated, so he doesn't fit the classic mold of the trump defense attorney. >> remind people, though in terms of who is going to lead in the sense of does trump direct his attorneys for the attorneys directly on issues of fact or legal strategy >> while we say attorneys can only advise, yes, right. you can't force so that will be a dynamic we'll be watching throughout. >> what's talking about who is actually going to prosecute this case. obviously, alvin bragg is a da. he himself will not argue this gauge is very typical. >> yeah, just to show you what a small world that is. i also worked with alvin bragg. i get the southern district of new york as the todd blanche, so they know each other. they were colleagues before alvin bragg is the district attorney took office in early 2022. he will not be trying the case will probably show up in the courtroom to support his team. is t

he's not agenda llc is not a sidney powell no offense to you. tell me you got it exactly? >> something you want to of the more professional ones that trump's lawyer, mr. blank, comes in the middle, so it's same. >> that donald trump is larger than life. but quote, he is also here in this courtroom doing what any of us would do defending himself and what blanche is doing here is reminding the jury, first of all, of the stakes second of all of the burden of proof. right? they don't have to prove anything. it's all on the other side of the courtroom. it's one of the few luxuries that you have as a defense lawyer. todd blanche is not going to pass on the podium. he's gonna be firm, but he's calm and he's a tactician and so is his co-counsel, susan necklace and karen, what your take on this so far this is just the defense you pretty much expected. >> absolutely. he came out the fighting. he so he's innocent. right? because that's not the not binary choice. the jury doesn't pick guilt or innocence. they pick guilt or not guilty. >> and todd blanch just noted that they're going t