it was haig, the new chief of staff, and siegler, who really kind of were the ones who went to nixon and listened to him in tried to manage all of this. i think there's no doubt that is true, but no one ever established that siegler had primary knowledge, first-hand knowledge of a crime himself, other than what he heard from nixon and haldeman and ehrlichman. and you. >> guest: could you name him as a co-conspirator? he was in an auld roll -- odd role of being a spokesperson. >> host: he renounced is regularly -- >> guest: you saw that conversation where he goes to nixon and says i want to apologize to the post. >> guest: and he did publicly. that was grace note in my mind, and my colleague, carl's, that was important and kind of, okay, you did your job, now let's move into the next phase, and the problem with the next phase is, your tape shows a continuing coverup. >> guest: the coverup of the coverup. >> host: exactly. agree completely. now, frank gannon, who was a nickon defender in a rewove in "the wall street journal" of your book, says a couple of things which i want to ask you