the other is i was one of 14 members of sigma ki rochester city. we went down to atlanta to our convention and got rid of the blackball against blacks, and so there's quite a diversity among -- even within fraternities, isn't there. >> you make a really good opinionment there are hundreds of chapters in big practice tender like sigma ki and sae and chapters says we're going to break away and not going to do this, and you mentioned the blackball. that's really -- blackball is requiring unanimous consent to ask to -- for someone to become a member, and that was used as a way to base keep out block and jewish members. it was very, very hard. i think that has changed over time, and a lot of the -- a lot of local chapters that at least gradually became more diverse. i think you're right. >> or chapter in rochester was heavily jewish and be rushed the first black. >> what what. >> host: that was '69. and so that was kind of neat. i found the fraternity experience to be really great. managing your house and trying to make sure that the cook couldn't find