the signage is still lit. once again an informational item. we've received a letter from d t n a expressing the revised signage they want to see one sign. orange after we left the hearing that's what the staff proposed and that's the sign that be only 12 inches tall that's based on architectureal recommendation. and we got a little push back from the sponsor and they said there's only financial uses so they thought they were being unfairly targeted but? the signage they've presented and it's been revised since october >> it's informational but is there a project sponsor? >> afternoon commissioners for the bank of the west and we have bank of the west representatives as well as the sign designer. >> if you want to make any overall comments the commissioners may or may not have questions for you but if you want to talk about the project you have a couple of minutes. >> i'll briefly reiterate the information we submitted to you in the package that was captured by the planner. we've sightly reduced the size of the signs. the size now and as origin

and the special signage on the north east water front is quite restrictive and so while you may feel that there is a signage that is more in keeping with the historic photographs, the special district, that is outlined with the planning code is actually more restricted than what we would say the standards would allow and so that is one of the conditions that the on proval is outlined it is that it is. i am happy to answer the questions if you have them. >> in regards to the exposed stainless steel systems it is a standard condition of approval to ask for a painted finished metals within this district as

and the special signage on the north east water front is quite restrictive and so while you may feel that there is a signage that is more in keeping with the historic photographs, the special district, that is outlined with the planning code is actually more restricted than what we would say the standards would allow and so that is

i presume this is about signage blithe and it's multiple things. you know, mayor's office gets climates which someone times put up a sign so it's easy to see going down the street. it's an influx of signage requests and restrictions. i know that mr. frye wants to speak on this it's got a more modern signage in the district >> tim frye department staff. the historic preservation commission we created signs for landmark districts and those may be part of the discussion on this committee but we tried to give the tenants the proper size and materials and as at least as we relate to the public realm and organizations >> that's all my comments for today. >> item 5 is the consideration of the draft minutes for june 13 june 13th nefdz. >> any public comments on the minutes. >> board approval. >> second. >> we'll take a vote. >> on that motion to approve the minutes for june 13 june 13 >> so move forward that passes and places you under comments and questions. >> commissioner pearlman. >> next wednesday there's an all day forum between the pummels and the p

and the special signage on the north east water front is quite restrictive and so while you may feel that there is a signage that is more in keeping with the historic photographs, the special district, that is outlined with the planning code is actually more restricted than what we would say the standards would allow and so that is one of the conditions that the on proval is outlined it is that it is. i am happy to answer the questions if you have them. >> in regards to the exposed stainless steel systems it is a standard condition of approval to ask for a painted finished metals within this district as a predominant character defining feature, bound from the district. >> thank you, commissioner baoerl pearlman. >> i had written down exactly the question that the project sponsor had asked about the stainless steel and it does differentiate it from the condition on the building and it is also, set back in under, you know the building and thes set back and so, in terms of that condition, do we want to make it different or exactly the same as indicating that we don't want to do anything

so, this initial contract is going to pay for the signage and way finding elements and we'll use the remainder of the budget for the site furnishings at the various nodes adjacent to the signage. >> we're going to have a wonder -- a beautiful blue grain way. are there any other questions? i'm sorry. ~ greenway i have the same concerns as commissioner brandon ~. why pick the lowest contractor here? have we worked with this guy before? >> >> hi, commissioners. my name is tim [speaker not understood]. i work with the engineering division. i'm the administrative engineer there. i was the one who opened the bids and one of the things that i do is a bid summary which summarizes all the bids. so, the low contractor i did contact and asked them how sure are you about this bid. and they affirmed that they would want to continue with this and that's the price that they will honor. so, we're willing to obligate the bid price that they put down. >> you know, we've had some problems with people not being able to perform the work that they signed for and we end up in lawsuits. i'm a little worried

neighborhood commercial formula in a matter of a month they can certainly try to do something on signage that's easier. that said i need some clarification on the sign itself. so could someone from the - i'm confused between with your dpekt in your elevation and i don't know where the section is drawn >> yes, sir. i'm mike with chandler signs. >> so your section shows a panel in the front or is that the letter. >> the acrylic is the face. the body of the letter and the sides is aluminum and the face is a while acrylic. it's illuminated they're only 80 aluminum by that's an acrylic face and the bear itself has red material >> what's the question about the section. >> is it through the letter t or k? >> i'm sorry. it's a standard section if you want to look at any of the larger letters. >> so are those on the front. >> there's a canopy structure that has a face on it and it is mounted flush it's a brush stainless steel face. >> i'm looking at the other one. >> those letters will be put on the canopy but the canopy is not there it's a flush mount on the wall. >> but there's no box. >> no si

signage, they would have signage because the jack spade sign is the same with the same markings and they would use those three color scheme. from what i have seen at some of the other stores, they seem to be pretty unique like in a single family dwelling. at that point you have the standardized array of trademark. >> thank you. >> mr. greko. >> tony greko chief building inspector. the department of building doesn't have much to add. they went through normal reviews and they were issues. if you have questions related to them, i can answer. >>> thank you. we are going to take public comment. can i see a show of hand how many people plan to speak. >> after public comment there is rebuttal. >> i would like to ask you to do a couple of things. first if you want to speak would you be so kind to fill out a card. it's not required, but it's very helpful. i also ask if you are able to lineup on the far side of the room to move along as quickly as possible. you can start your line there by the podium. if you want to step forward and the first person can come up and speak. how many minutes? >> 2 mi

sufficient number seven, i would like to confirm that the client is indeed planning to prepare the signage package and just as a bit of preview, know that we do some historic evidence that indicates that they have the feature of signage in the past and so the blanket prohiks may not be in keeping with the historic character of the building but we will do more digging on that. thank you. >> anything else from the sponsor? >> no? >> thank you. any other questions from commissioner? none. okay, public comment? >> on this item? >> really entrance for about the 901 area, but this is for the historical reverence, could we stick to the subject property. >> about the property itself, essentially, i don't know the actual location, but i was really kind of wanting to make sure and i didn't know if this was the last comment i will make it short and simple. i was interested for entering properly at an appropriate time about historic preservation because i have two entities that i would like to appoint. >> maybe it will be better reserved for general public comment. >> we are discussing 901 battery str

conclusion given this is a long name for an institution like 13 letters times 2 is 26 so having the signage over the corner and i hope as we have other buildings we will be able to work more closely when those projects came forward to make sure those types of rules are more focused on. i'm fully in support of what you are >> commissioners if there's nothing further we can move onto the item 11 board of appeals and restoration commission. >> the board of appeals met yesterday and i'd like to brief thrill those. the first is a jurisdiction request for 437 la trespasser. in this case, the jurisdiction requesters were saying they didn't have timely notice and the board denied that request. they've been employed i appealed to the board of appeals and we'll be looking at whether or not those were valid appeals. and the next is for the property on 16th street with regards to jack spade wanting to relocate and they found they were not notified and the letters were not - i have been sending the letters so we mailed this to 36 groups and there were no appeals and it was reopened to a 35 day appeal. a

so, this initial contract is going to pay for the signage and way finding elements and we'll use the remainder of the budget for the site furnishings at the various nodes adjacent to the signage. >> we're going to have a wonder -- a beautiful blue grain way. are there any other questions? i'm sorry. ~ greenway i have the same concerns as commissioner brandon ~. why pick the lowest contractor here? have we worked with this guy before? >> >> hi, commissioners. my name is tim [speaker not understood]. i work with the engineering division.