jonathan zimmermann and signe wilkinson talk about their book free speech and why you should give a -- the book explores the history and controversies over free speech through political cartoons. the national archives hosted this event and provided the video. many thanks to everyone at the national archives for hosting this event as someone who obviously reviewers the ideals that are reflected in our nation's founding documents, which we've been working hard to approach in reality. the national archives for me is one of the most moving inspiring places in the world, and it's a great setting for this great book because john's insigni's book brilliantly transmits our founding ideals to a younger generation inspiring them to continue the enduring efforts to translate those ideals into present day reality for everyone. so i'm going to start with you john. why did you write the book? who are your ideal readers? what message? do you want to convey? well, the real reason i wrote the book is that sydney wilkinson emailed me and asked me to write it and you get an email from her you act i were

you know, it's right right and i mean it's easy, you know, i would just add anybody knows signe wilkinson or any of her work for the first past four decades that they'll see, you know, she doesn't do any of this gratuitously. she's not trying to offend anybody but sometimes she will right just by virtue with the fact that you know, she's dealing with important and emotional political and cultural questions and i think the real question for all of us is when people are upset. do you concede to that and also i'd add in the case of you know, the the muslim cartoons. do you concede to their bullying and their violent threats so for me as an american destroying the best analogy to this dispute is there's this really interesting junk there during the civil rights movement in the 1960s where there was a civil rights demonstration and peter paul and mary and harry belafonte are there and at one point harry belafonte gives a peck on the key to mary travers of peter paul and mary and immediately in the southern part of the united states the networks cut away. yeah, why because they said people are

jonathan zimmermann and signe wilkinson talk about their book free speech and why you should give a -- the book explores the history and controversies over free speech through political cartoons. the national archives hosted this event and provided the video. many thanks to everyone at the national archives for hosting this event as someone who obviously reviewers the ideals that are reflected in our nation's founding documents, which we've been working hard to approach in reality. the national archives for me is one of the most moving inspiring places in the world, and it's a great setting for this great book because

wilkinson reports. you must stay at home. these were critical messages at the start of the pandemic, but deaf people, who use british sign language one of them. she's been profoundly deaf since the age of three. it was really affecting my mental health. it's the frustration, the annoyance, the stress. it was affecting the pregnancy. katherine is bringing a case against the government over a lack of british sign language in—person interpreters in their covid broadcasts. she claims the government is breaching its obligations under the equality act. it was frustrating. why wasn't there an interpreter on the television? it's important to get that information. the world should know. for me, on my own, where is that information? katherine's case focuses on two specific briefings in england last year, but deaf people say it's a wider issue. they point to other nations like scotland and wales, who have had british sign language in—person interpreters at covid briefings. lynn stewart—taylor started the "where's the interpreter?" campaign after she no idea what had been said in the first covid briefing and was inundated with messages from