way very similar accepted the sigtarp's recommendations about three fourths of the time. there are some cases we have determined that in the interest of financial stability and because we can find other ways to protecting the taxpayer, that we decline to implement. one of these cases has been the creation of a wall. in many cases, here i draw upon 35 years of experience in the financial services industry, in many cases, it makes great sense to have a wall to separate asset managers in area from asset managers in another. in the case of asset managers we're hiring on behalf the taxpayer. we want to have their best talents working for the american taxpayer. >> one language i want to ask but later, what was your feeling? this is a man who's been enormously financial successful, he's in the treasury department and you're there. how can you have any power over him and in the job you've having? >> all i really had, we had power of logical argument. what i learned over time from advice from others as well as just sort of figuring out, i wasn't really going to be able to directly