anticipated phone was revealed earlier this year as a joint venture between crypto service firm silent circle and spanish smartphone manufacturer geeks phone and this week the device of fish really began shipping out to customers to talk a little bit about what this phone can do i want to bring in toby we're jones c.e.o.'s. s.g.p. technologies that's the joint venture behind black phone tell me thanks for coming on nice summer nice to see you again nice to see you so we talk about a regular smartphone which is what the majority of the american public has what is it about the device that makes it so vulnerable to having its its privacy really compromised well the main thing is that the device is built by folks who are interested in using the information about what you do to generate additional commercial benefit for them and so our whole goal was to stop that cut it off at the knees and give ownership of that information back to the owner of the of the telephone i want to be clear about something because a lot of people organize so see this new phone the black phone. with something that gives