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so i'm responding to silvia hurtado and her colleague's paper. i'm going to be short and sweet here because i am short and sweet. i thought i'd get that in there. so i really enjoyed silvia's paper. i wanted -- i think it's really important that you read this paper for a number of reasons. one of the things i liked the most is in the very beginning, silvia talks about how they wanted to use metrics that were fair to both students and institutions. and i really like the use of the word fair because i think all too often when we see research and when we see a lot of national reports we don't see kind of the fair use of metrics. and another thing i thought was really interesting about the paper is that she does a really good job of reminding us how for so long researchers have been calling for measures that consider student inputs as well as institutional inputs. and it's been so long, right? and yet we still have all of these efforts that don't consider student input. we have all of these ways of looking at institutions that don't take into account

so i'm responding to silvia hurtado and her colleague's paper. i'm going to be short and sweet here because i am short and sweet. [ laughter ] just thought i would get that in there. so i really enjoyed sylvia's paper. i wanted to -- i think -- it's really important that you read this paper for a number of reasons. one -- one of the things i like the most is that in the very beginning of the paper sylvia talks about how they wanted to use metrics that were fair to students and institutions. and i really like the use of the word fair. because i think all too often when we see research and when we see a lot of national reports, we don't see kind of the fair use of metrics. and another thing that i thought was really interesting about the paper is that she does a really, really good job of reminding us of how long researchers have been calling for measures that consider student input as well as institutional input. it's been so long. and yet we have all of these efforts that done consider student inputs. we have all of these ways of looking at insti