you were there with simian booker, right in. >> no, simian booker had been there about a -- ten years before. >> it was too hard. >> it was too hard. on the one hand, i grew up in the segregated south, so i had known the humiliation of black and white water fountains and black and white bathrooms and had a lot to cope with. but i had, i just did not picture that the nation's capital -- >> right. >> -- would have been such a racially segregated place. and because it was, it made my job more difficult. for example, daily newspapers are -- time is of the essence. so get your assignment in the morning, unless you were doing a special feature, and you go out and you write the story and you come back and you file it on deadline for the next day. and getting taxi cabs was one of the hardest things. >> a little thing like that? >> yeah. i would stand the out in front of the post it felt like for hours, but it wasn't. of it was a long time though, trying to get a taxi cab. and they would, you know, sometimes they'd kind of slow down, and then they would see my brown face and hit the accelerato