simic yes. and as a result only half that of eligible people got food stamps and imagine if we said the same thing to those self proclaimed conservatives that got tax relief if we said the next time if you want your tax relief you have to peek into a cup to prove you are not smoking marijuana. but imagine if we said to see older the person you will not get a social security. it will not fly for:i think set has the benefits. >> going back to the question of of the three. i increase some people are but as you point out with the 1,000 points of light those that and go into individual or private sector nonprofit religious based action. in order to do what you talk about and what some of us believe is the only way to use salt the issue because somebody has to make a moral case for doing something. i am curious if anybody they think makes the moral argument and whose those people are? >> within the political process? >> within the public's fear. >> i faked a lot of people are making the case but we ha