i think it was simon baker— have been subject? i think it was simon baker in _ have been subject?r in terms of liaising directly with fujitsu. but simon baker in terms of liaising directly with fujitsu.— directly with fu'itsu. but these paragraphs — directly with fujitsu. but these paragraphs here _ directly with fujitsu. but these paragraphs here are _ directly with fujitsu. but these paragraphs here are intended. directly with fujitsu. but these . paragraphs here are intended to directly with fujitsu. but these i paragraphs here are intended to give comfort, _ paragraphs here are intended to give comfort, aren't they, too miss vennells — comfort, aren't they, too miss vennells that fujitsu have been closely— vennells that fujitsu have been closely involved and data has been obtained _ closely involved and data has been obtained which backs up the post office's— obtained which backs up the post office's response to second sight? | office's response to second sight? agree. office's response to second sight? i agree- how — office's response to second sight? i agree. how could _ off

you reply for this comment for request on the draft for mr simon baker, the 20th of november 2012.k. lodged until 31st of march 2030 —— 2013, ithink. looking lodged until 31st of march 2030 —— 2013, i think. looking at that exchange of e—mails and draft attached, you on behalf ofjfsa had agreed the remit of the initial second sight investigation? i think we had agreed _ second sight investigation? i think we had agreed with _ second sight investigation? i think we had agreed with the _ second sight investigation? i think we had agreed with the remit, i second sight investigation? i think| we had agreed with the remit, yes. yes, thank you. that can come down. can we turn to your witness statement, please? page 35. in paragraph 110 you say something similar to that with such you have said are we were concerned as to whether they can undertake a white wash and were in the post office double pocket in a similar way to the nfs p. i think it is right that despite your initial suspicions, your impression of second sight improved what she had had direct engagement with them, is that right?

i think it was simon baker that put that together.ribute towards this? no. _ that together. did you contribute towards this? no. did _ that together. did you contribute towards this? no. did you - that together. did you contribute towards this? no. did you read l that together. did you contributej towards this? no. did you read it before it towards this? did you read it before it was towards this? tip. did you read it before it was submitted to paula vennells? | before it was submitted to paula vennells? .. �* before it was submitted to paula vennells? ., �* ., �* vennells? i don't recall, i don't remember— vennells? i don't recall, i don't remember seeing _ vennells? i don't recall, i don't remember seeing that - vennells? i don't recall, i don't remember seeing that before. | vennells? i don't recall, i don't| remember seeing that before. i vennells? i don't recall, i don't- remember seeing that before. i can't be sure. d0 remember seeing that before. i can't be sure. ,, remember seeing that before. i can't be sure. ~ .. , remember

would have been alice and paula and susan and leslie would have been at the start, as well, and simon bakerity. plan a was to persuade james arbuthnot to i to persuade james arbuthnot to postpone a meeting with second sight? _ postpone a meeting with second sight? plan b was to prepare a full communications strategy with tactics in line _ communications strategy with tactics in line with _ communications strategy with tactics in line with an approach to minimise reputational impact on the post office? — reputational impact on the post office? yes? was that the strategy that was— office? yes? was that the strategy that was in— office? yes? was that the strategy that was in fact adopted? rebuttal and tactics aimed to reduce reputational impact? | rebuttal and tactics aimed to reduce reputational impact?— reputational impact? i think in terms of the _ reputational impact? i think in terms of the reputational i reputational impact? i think in i terms of the reputational impact, the

it was the first time, it was when simon baker produced those two anomalies, as he called them.e down, thank you. were you not aware — that can come down, thank you. were you not aware at the time, then, in 0ctoher— you not aware at the time, then, in october 2010, that fujitsu formally notified _ october 2010, that fujitsu formally notified the post office of the receipts — notified the post office of the receipts and payments mismatch? | receipts and payments mismatch? [ was receipts and payments mismatch? was not receipts and payments mismatch? i was not aware of that. were - receipts and payments mismatch? i was not aware of that. were you . receipts and payments mismatch? i | was not aware of that. were you not aware at the — was not aware of that. were you not aware at the time _ was not aware of that. were you not aware at the time that _ was not aware of that. were you not aware at the time that it _ was not aware of that. were you not aware at the time that it happened l aware at the time that it happened again— aware at the time that it happened again in— aware at the