you know titans with bit fanatics you've got simon dixon over back to the future these people of and even when i 1st start talking to you about this with simon back going back a few years there's a real. there's a there's a real need for this and i know the industry is is really rooting for something for this to to work it's almost it almost seems mission critical at this stage of the internet and crept out because. the crypto and big coin is now taking on governments and the governments are fighting back and the banks are fighting back so this fight you know this is going to be a big fight cam having been doing you're eating your winnings and gearing up and not are you ready for i do have the stamina are you ready for the scam are you ready i'm ready i was born ready you this thing is exciting you know governments are fighting for their control bangs up fighting for their survival. these outdated models are going to disappear there's nothing they can do about that and you know i want to be part of this revolution i want to deliver the products that actually allow people to utilize cr

also listening to peter dixon and simon.yesterday, draghi went after the esteemed academic from deutsche bank and has been on this show and other locations has been scathing about negative rates. is the negative rate theory forever damaged -- or has the negative rate experiment now after months and quarters and ears of reality? peter: it has diminishing marks of return the further you go into negative interest rates. actually, it's not just the private sector thinks that, you see a series of e.c.b. stock paces and suggests while there is stimulus of impact there's a diminishing impact the further you go in negative interest rates, forward easing, forward guidance buys you time. it's an expensive way of buying time but provides a window for some of the changes the e.c.b. government wants to see from governments and whether they squander the time or use it will determine whether the detracting is a failure or a success? tom: do you change your view on the equity markets after the ballet we've seen on fixed economics the last 2