simon cowell. >> wow. wow. >> anybody that doesn't think the presidency ages you should look at that picture. dark hair, looks just younger. anyway, 2003, arnold schwarzenegger announced on leno the current governor gray go and he, arnold schwarzenegger wanted to replace him. i remember that night. >> he's failing them terriblery, and this is why he needs to be recalled. this is why i'm going to run for governor of the state. >> bill carter is national media reporter for "the new york times." and lizz winstead is co-creator of "the daily show." thank you both for joining us. bill, you know, i think the key to leno over the years and his high ratings, one key is he's really interested when he interviews you. i know you've been on there. when you get interviewed by a guy who wants your answer, it's not from a script, talk to him during the breaks he's asking you more questions. the guy -- i never -- if either way, he fooled me about his politics completely. i thought he was one thing, he's another. i think. but what do you think about his interest and ability to do political interviews? >> well, it's clearly been a focus of not only his "tonight show" but his whole year. he's interested in politics. he