away from polluting energy sources is once again on the back burner or from or in the spring in simon miller, he's an energy transition expert. are welcome to the program, simon. what does it tell us about the green energy ambitions of industrial and emerging countries? when being confronted with this emergency scenario that we're seeing right now, every just falls, everybody falls back and they're heavily carbon emitting ways well, i think it's very important to distinguish the short term immediate response and the structural consequences. when we look at the short term response, it shows us that we're still deeply dependent on fossil fuels. but if we consider what does this mean structurally, i would say it's very, very robust, that we will see a dramatic acceleration of renewable energy's. why they have the cost arguments on their side. they have the energy security argument on their side and the sustainability argument. anyway. however, if we look at the immediate response to the crisis, of course, we need to rely on existing facilities, existing assets, and they are there and can burn f