simon shuster who wrote the cover story. big red cover which says cold war 2. >> i don't think it's a cold war. but i think it's a return to the 19th century. we were never at the end of history and the idea that the end of the cold war meant there would be a peace dividend that we could have and essentially declining american power withdrawn, inward looking america was always wrong. wrong whether you take it from the right side of the political spectrum or the left side. so it's not a a cold war in the ideological sense but it is the return of great power competition. >> ambassador, thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> and president obama and members of the house and senate all say it is a crisis. will they do anything about this crisis before they all go on vacation? well, that's coming up. if you don't think "feed the then you don't know "aarp". our drive to end hunger has donated 29 million meals, and counting. find more real possibilities at aarp.org/possibilities. >>> search of immigrant children overwhelming the border pa

simon & schuster? >> guest: well they were max shuster and simon and they were two gentlemen who were friends with one another and we back in 1924 they decided to start a publishing house on their own. they have been working in publishing houses but felt they could begin on themselves so they did. they set out one day and they

time magazine correspondent simon shuster wrote the cover story for next week's magazine, entitled cold war two, the west is losing putin's dangerous game. before we get to your article, the fighting continues in ukraine and inside the government, yatsenyuk resigned at ukraine's prime minister as the ruling coalition in parliament collapsed. weaver seen brawls inside parliament. is the government in disarray or is this actually a good sign? >> i wouldn't say it's a good sign nor a sign of disawry. it seemed the various parties in parliament that came to power, came to prominence after the revolution in february, they want to lock in the patriotism that has come with the war. that's created a great wave of patriotism. they seem to be breaking up the coalition to spark early elections. that will allow them to capitalize on that patriotism and lock in for the next five years the support and patriotism that has arisen in ukraine. >> we saw planes shot down this week, claims that it came from russian territory. russian artillery has been firing across the border to attack ukrainian military

. >> again, simon shuster's new cover story for time magazine is in the magazine's august 4th issue. simon good to see you then agai, thank you. >> thank you. >> with vladimir putin drawing strength from the ukrainian crisis with the west pressure russia to stop the war? for more i am joined from washington, d.c. steven hadley former security adviser to president george w. bush. as we were just discussing time magazine's covering is calling what's going on cold war two. you published an opinion piece in the washington post on tuesday entitled russia should be punished for did he stabilizing ukraine but not isolated. hasn't putin isolate himself and created a new version of the cold war with his own actions? >> he certainly has. and i think that the challenge we have is to use sanctions and other things to try to pressure him to stop supporting the arms and material and stand down. but we have limited leverage. and i think if we are going to prevent putin from reproducing elsewhere, what he's doing in ukraine, we do have to do a whole series of measures. as an integrated strategy. that

>> well, they were not shuster and richard simon and they were two gentlemen who are friends with one another. way back in 1924 they decided to start a publishing house on their own. they have been working on publishing houses that thought they could begin one themselves, so they did. they set up one day. they rented a space and put up a sign that had simon & schuster publishers. >> would they recognize what you do today? >> i actually think they totally would. some of what is really interesting when you read through the haze to rias to realize how many go in circles and when the soul becomes new again. just as an example, the reason they would recognize that we do today mainly is because the job of the publisher hasn't changed at all, which is too fine great work, depending what kind of work it is and then convince the audience to buy. so we've always been a conduit between the artist and the kids sooner and that hasn't changed at all. a lot of the ways they did it back then or now becoming popular again. for to come and they used run or not her type it in newspapers every recall a t

simon & schuster? >> guest: well they were max shuster and simon and they were two gentlemen who were friends with one another and we back in 1924 they decided to start a publishing house on their own. they have been working in publishing houses but felt they could begin on themselves so they did. they set out one day and they rented a space and put up a sign that said simon & schuster publishers. >> host: would they recognize what you do today? >> guest: know i think they totally would. some of what is really interesting when you read through the history is to realize how many things go in circles and what is old becomes new again. they use as an example the reason they would recognize what we do today namely it's because the job of the publisher has not changed at all which is defined great work. depending on what kind of work it is and then to find an audience that commits that audience to buy it. we have always been the conduit between the artist in the consumer and that has not changed at all. a lot of the ways they didn't back then are now becoming popular again. for instance they used to run an