got arrested at sinema's office the other day.virginia and why he thinks joe manchin might be out of sync with them. >> we were called by poor white people and black people and miners and veterans to come. they're tired of people talking about west virginia and allowing him to say he's doing this because of west virginia. 79% of likely voters in west virginia want expansion of the voting rights act. they want the vision of the for the people act. >> i was talking to him, i was talking to a representative from new york this morning. a lot of people come on this show and say manchin, you're doing the wrong thing. you have to move. is any of this pressure going to work for joe manchin? >> i think the cautious answer is maybe. just this week, for example, we saw reverend warnock and senator schumer meeting to discuss a stripped down, nero voting rights act. joe manchin who has been an opponent of democratic governance was a voice at the table playing a constructive role, saying positive things about the warnock/schumer effort. i feel

dana: it seems like knives are out for the moderate seminars joe manchin kyrsten sinema they seem tontinue to push, how do you see it? >> i think this is a story of two images the first image with the image of kyrsten sinema standing arm in arm with rob portman announcing a bipartisan deal showing not just cooperation but genuine affection for each other these people work together to craft something that is bipartisan and that's with the murky people want you can track that with the image of squad members going on twitter and accusing kyrsten sinema of being a racist in the bipartisan deal, people being racist saying she wants to reach out to republicans or copper mice, cinema understands what to many democrats don't understand, they did not give democrats a mandate for socialism they gave them a 50/50 senate of three vote margin in the house that the mandate for compromise and kyrsten sinema is trying to lead their party off the edge and towards compromise and bipartisanship and they don't want to follow. dana: it's interesting to watch her i think she's one of the most interesting

kyrsten sinema tripoli down on bipartisanship but not on the progressive agenda many interparty wanttly this morning susan collins is saying to try to get some legislative language that should be available today. >> that's exactly right senate staffers have been working overnight for the 2700 page infrastructure deal, getting ten republican senators on board to get this through is the first challenge you will see in passing a bipartisan instructor package as soon as it makes its way to the house it's going to be where a lot of the work has to be done as you have seen members more progressive members already applying pressure of nisi policy not to buckle to the pressure moderate democratic senators who are rebuffed to the 3.5 reconciliation bill that pelosi has promised to pass in tandem with this bipartisan infrastructure bill whether or not pelosi, how long she will wait for the $3.5 trillion bill to make its way from the senate to the house to move forward is unclear but this is a very balanced that she will have to play with it increasingly growing 100 member progressive caucus th

contributions, but particularly i want to log the work of senator rob portman and senator krysten sinema who led our group of ten senators -- five democrats and five republicans. the other republican members in addition to myself were senators murkowski, cassidy, and romney. on the democratic side, in addition to senator sinema, were senators manchin, shaheen, warner, and tester. and all of us worked very hard, and we're grateful for the ideas and the input that we had from so many of our colleagues. i also want to thank our staffs. we couldn't have done it without them. they too were here night and day. they haven't had a weekend off in a very long time. so, madam president, it is essential that we make this historic investment, and i urge all of my colleagues in voting tomorrow morning for final passage of this long-awaited, much-needed, bipartisan legislation. thank you, madam president. i yield the floor.

that is manchin and sinema.lot of folks wonder whether or not democrats can keep it together in the senate for the reconciliation bill. what types of conversations are you having with your colleagues when it comes to that? >> we're going to see later tonight or very early tomorrow morning a proof point about whether or not my colleagues sinema and manchin will join all the rest of the democratic caucus to vote to proceed with the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill. i think they wil send forward a bold piece of legislation that will give a big tax cut to middle class americans and that will be paid for by the wealthiest americans and corporations. i think that's supported throughout our whole caucus and they'll have a chance to show it. let's not start with the negative. let's take one sentence on the positive. it's a big deal. president biden is about to speak to this, but frankly my friend joe biden ranhe idea tha can still come together and do big things in this country and work together to fix the deally issue

i think kyrsten sinema understands what to many democrats in washington don't understand.a mandate for socialism. they gave him a 50/50 senate, a three vote margin in the house. that is a mandate for compromise and christensen was trying to lead her party off the edge and towards compromise and bipartisanship and they don't want to follow. >> dana: it's interesting to watch her. i think she's one of the most interesting legislators in our country right now. moe, i also wanted to talk to about this. i noticed in the hill this week, that's "the hill" newspaper i should say, an ally of vice president harris expressed skepticism on how effective she can be helping democrats keep the majority and upcoming elections. this is a quote. "no one is coming out and saying she's doing an amazing job because the first question would be on what? she's made a bunch of mistakes and she's made herself a story for good and bad." in that article, a spokesperson for harris declined to comment. it what you think your offense is going to try to do to reassure her allies? >> well, with friends li

sinema is not okay with the $3.5 trillion. aoc says this is a compromise down frs $6 trillion to $10 trillion. this will be a long battle. they need to get all the members in congress on board. >> sahil, thank you. much more ahead with senator kaine whether the infrastructure bill might pass plus what the leading house republican said about speaker nancy pelosi that has democrats disgusted and demanding an apology now. >>> next up, breaking overnight, we now know whether simone biles will compete in her last chance for a gold medal in these olympic games. spoiler alert, she's in, and so are we. live in tokyo, next. ur clothes y fresh for weeks? now they can! this towel has already been used and it still smells fresh. pour a cap of downy unstopables into your washing machine before each load and enjoy fresher smelling laundry for up to 12-weeks. don't you just love the look on the kids' faces... yea, that look of pure terror... ...no, no, the smile... ...and that second right before the first tear comes... ...what?! pizza on a

. >> sahil, before we go, i want to bring you in on what we're hearing today from senator sinema, how is that going to complicate all of this moving forward? >> well, senator sinema has said she opposes the $3.5 trillion price tag for the democrats' big reconciliation package. she has not elaborated. she's not identified policy issues that are being considered that she opposes. she's just said she doesn't want that $3.5 trillion price tag. in theory, $3.4 trillion could work for her. this is going to be an issue, a debate, particularly facing pushback from progressives including alexandria ocasio-cortez, who i spoke to about this several days ago. she said sinema is threatening to nug both bills, the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the reconciliation bill by opposing a $3.5 trillion price tag which progressives view as a compromise already from the $6 trillion to $10 trillion figure they had wanted. >> sahil, can i just -- i want to hear, but what does she gain by doing that, sahil? >> there are a couple theories about this. and the most compelling one i have heard is that she's tr

do you have a commitment from krysten sinema?om the conservatives in the party. that they are going to support the bigger bill? are they all going to support it? >> i think that is exactly what they are working through as we move into that phase of things. i am confident that we can hold together with such important priorities on the line and i don't want to under state what it means. you look at the funding for public transit. black commuters are more likely to depend on public transit to get to work. the support for electric vehicles. cleaner vehicles for bus systems. when latina families are more likely to live there, asmais a consequence of airborne pollution. tribal residents, more likely to have safety issues and be killed in crashes. that is one reason we care about the safety provisions here. i don't want to short that even while agreeing that we have a lot of work to do in that second track and why it is there and we want both to come to the president's desk. the president wants to sign them both. >> i respect and apprec

they have priscilla the house, progressives, and the senate they have got sinema and -- sinema and manchinis in the way of the senate and looking at those moderates, kirsten sinema and joe manchin, there are others, warner from virginia, kaine from virginia there are others who have problems with big deficit debt numbers. but why isn't it phrased the other way? why isn't the pressure on house speaker pelosi to put this bill now passed the senate on the floor for up or down vote. >> i think we are moving there imi agree with just about everything byron york and bill bennett have said. the highway bill transportation bill with eisenhower passed along with the help of the very first al gore. al gore's father who was a u.s. senator. done in a bipartisanship way. hopefully we build legislative muscle and memory how to address big things maybe they will deal with crime and immigration and how we more easily distribute economic growth urban and rural america alike. to your direct question, bret, the pressure does move to the house. speaker pelosi has proven to be very adept, an adept legislator,

but the focus does remain on joe manchin and kyrsten sinema. when manchin says he has serious concerns about the $3.5 trillion budget blueprint, after he's voted to begin putting this all together, knowing the number was going to be $3.5 trillion, what does this mean? is this just his opening salvo? take us inside. >> there's going to be a lot of posturing among a lot of different members, not just the moderates like joe manchin and kyrsten sinema. yesterday the progressives said they would withhold their support for the bipartisan infrastructure plan if that larger democratic-only bill does not include their priorities. what does that mean? the priorities to win over joe manchin's support, if they pull back those priorities, will the folks on the left say we're not going to vote for this? that's going to be a question for the leaders to balance here. ultimately, the message you're hearing and you will hear from democratic leaders publicly and privately is unity. that's what chuck schumer has i'm prord on his members, he's told me, told others,

sinema is voting against her constituents. i think, at her peril. so i -- i would hope she comes around, in the coming days, to understand that this package strengthens our care economy, produces jobs. we -- we are looking at a package that would produce 2 million jobs, per year, over the next ten years. i don't think ms. sinema wants to be the one that votes against a jobs act. i just think that's not wise. particularly, when arizona, desperately, wants all that. >> well, there are so many details for the devil to be in, with this package. i know you are avidly looking forward to the next. we, certainly, are. and i will be interested to see how this shakes out, if you have folks like senator sinema, whose objections may be dropped or who come around. and whether or not enough people align on both sides of -- of the party to move this thing forward. but we will discuss that, once we actually have the text of it. congresswoman marie newman of illinois, good to have you on the program. thank you very much. >>> coming up, there is a new push in congres

he has to prevail upon manchin and sinema to do the right thing, understanding that wear not going tonough support from republicans to pass voting rights legislation i think they feel threatened by as a party. >> let me ask you, representative, you and your delegation in various times, on zooms, sometimes in person have met with various people, have met with a great deal of support in washington. not everybody has told me, when i've talked to your colleagues, none of them have told me that they've gotten the big hug they were hoping for from the white house and from the president. is that, as representative jones says, the thing that you need to put this over the finish line? >> listen, we know that president biden and vice president kamala harris are aligned. we know that they understand the sense of urgency and the importance of this issue for us. it is not just about texas for us, it was about shining a spotlight on what is happening and how these stiff criminal penalties are going to implicate and erode our precious right to vote. so i have no doubt, i have full faith that the pre

but particularly senators portman and sinema picked up the ball where i left it. i'd like to think i got it to the five-yard line, maybe not so quite. but i got the ball rolling and i got it moving in the right direction, and they did the tough sledding ahead. i'd like to thank my counterpart senator carper. he has been great in managing this bill on the floor but also to keep the guardrails on that we established to make sure that the group, the bipartisan group was following along with the committee had unanimously passed and how we felt would be the most effective way to invest in our infrastructures for the future. i would like to thank my entire e.p.w. committee team starting with my staff director adam who has been with me for many, many years. what you don't know and what i know is that adam was back in the back with mary francis, and they were the traffic cops through the whole amendment process, working the committees, the different five committees, republican and democrat, leadership-leadership, all the different individual members. i'm going to give ada

i want to thank senator sinema, also a mechanic of our committee, and -- member of our committee and senator portman for bringing this momentous infrastructure package together. madam president, it's obvious how some of the job creation this package will happen, you build a bridge. you lay down rail tracks. you hire american workers to do it. none of these jobs ever in an infrastructure plan can be shipped overseas. but this investment, madam president, is different from those that have come before it. for the first time every single one of these projects will come from the strongest ever, the strongest ever buy america rules. it means we get more job creation from wichita to seattle to boston to cleveland. we get more job creation for every single dollar of taxpayer investment. throughout my time in the senate i've worked to strengthen our nation's buy america laws at every opportunity, and there have always been interest groups in this town that have written loopholes into these laws and weakened these laws. for instance, one of the most expensive bridges in american history, the b

the policy is going to be a heavy lift for manchin and sinema.re a long time between now and then and this resolution and getting the majority of the biden agenda through, but i think it's going to be long and hard for those two democrats. >> jake sherman of punchbowl news. thank you as always. >>> with the u.s. ending its time in afghanistan, the militants are ramping up their efforts with many children caught in the crossfire. nbc news correspondent kelly cobiella has more. >> reporter: the afghan air force striking taliban targets in the south, claiming to have killed 16 insurgents after a rapid advance in the north, the taliban taking over three cities in one day. they're now in control of at least five regional capitals and fighting for more. the u.s. providing some air support to afghan forces, but no ground troops. >> it's their country to defend now. this is their struggle. >> reporter: families fleeing the fighting are now homeless in kabul. the conflict taking a toll on children. 27 killed in the last 72 hours alone, according to the u.

you know, the pound of flesh that manchin and sinema and the house moderates demand may require it to be scaled back somewhat. but it's still going to be, to use john's word, transformative. i mean we're going from, you know, what, 13 to 17 years of publicly funded education, universal pre-k and free community college, expansion of medicare, expansion of medicaid to cover all of those in the states that refuse to expand under the affordable care act. i mean this is an enormous piece of legislation. but beyond that, everything that can't be included in this does remain subject to the republican filibuster in the senate, and i think one thing that today made very clear, don, no republicans voted for the extension of the voting rights act after it had massive bipartisan support in its previous iterations. and that really puts the focus on manchin and sinema because they are arguing that the senate should only act if ten republicans agree to undo what their republican colleagues in the states are doing. and i think what today may very clear in the house is that is not even a fig leaf. it'

arizona senator kyrsten sinema has already expressed opposition to the price tag. spending packages now go to the house, where speaker nancy pelosi has indicated she will not bring the bipartisan bill to the house floor unless the reconciliation bill is also considered at the same time. on tuesday, senator bernie sanders urged his colleagues to support the $3.5 trillion budget package which would help expand the nation's social safety net. >> this legislation will not only provide people support, unprecedented in recent american history, the children in our country, the parents in our country, to the elderly people in our country, to the working families of our country, but it will also, i hope, restore the faith of the american people in the belief that we can have a government that works for all of us and not just a few. amy: we are joined now by ro khanna, democratic congressmember from california. welcome back to democracy now! in the next segment, we will be talking to you about afghanistan, but this happened in the last hours, two major infrastructure bills.

. >> & joe manchin and kyrsten sinema have already started expressing concern. some are worried about the cost and others don't think it goes far enough. with that, let's bring in our lead-off guests. peter baker, veteran journalist and author who is chief white house correspondent for the "new york times." the aforementioned katie benner, justice department reporter, also with the times. she broke tonight's news about the former president's attempts to subvert the election results. also back with us, michael osterholm from the infectious disease research and policy, university of minnesota. he was also a covid adviser to the biden transition team back then. michael, indeed because of the news, i would like to begin with you. during the simpler days of our single strain, uncontrolled pandemic, we made it a habit of asking you what inning we were in in the fight. those were the days before vaccines. and i'm tempted to ask tonight, have they added on innings in the game or do we find ourselves perhaps in game one of a double-header? >> i guess i would take it in a

. >> there has been reporting that keers 10 sinema was not on board. on this. the reporting was she was far from a yes. do you believe this will work out? >> well, it is clear now that tonight, senator manchin and senator sinema will vote to proceed. there's a lot to work out. we'll raise taxes on corporations that don't pay any tapgss on the very wealthiest americans to meet president biden's commitment that americans under $400,000 a year won't see any tax increase. in fact, they'll get a significant tax cut and lower cost of living. senator sinema made it clear. some of the proposedleleleles of the tax plan she may not support. we don't have those details yet. the win tonight is we have all 50 democrats moving forward. >> do you worry that pushing through a $3.5 trillion in new expense through the reconciliation process which bypasses the senate's typical 60-vote threshold without any republican votes undermines the very heart of the bipartisan victory today? >> what is striking to me. we were able to sustain a big bynum vote. 69 senators, which mea

we knew that kyrsten sinema thought 3.5 trillion was too much. a week ago she had a normal statement. and joe manchin has been making noises on this for weeks. this is not a surprise to anybody. the big issue is what you said, six or eight or ten house democrats who don't like this number either. so will they vote for the budget resolution. it is a balancing act. i think that, you know, it's not going to come in at 3.5 trillion. it was never going to come in at 3.5 trillion. it's probably 1.5 or $2 trillion, which is still an enormous amount of money, just a phenomenal amount of money, especially if you look at two other things opinion congress already passed a $1.9 trillion american rescue plan. and congress has to pass government funding for 2020 which is another $1.5 trillion. congress is going to be shoveling out a lot of money in the next couple of months. this is going to be -- it's not going to be enough for the left, but it's still going to be relatively a huge sum. >> on this before we move to the debt ceiling. if it does come in at 1.5

all that's being asked of manchin and sinema is to vote the right way on the filibuster, on voting rights. that's it. no skull fractures required. so what happens when the john lewis voting rights act doesn't pass in the senate? probably this. >> he's back. the donald held a rally last night also in alabama and in congressman mo brooks's district before a raucous crowd of the party faithful but faithful more to the ideas that trump has promulgated rather than to the man himself and i'll talk more about what happened when he encouraged his supporters to get vaccinated later in the show but right now just listen to what happen when trumpist mo brooks tried to tell the crowd to move on maybe from the last election. >> folks, put that behind you. put that behind you. yes! look forward! look forward! look forward! beat them in 2022. beat them in 2024! >> the very definition of a hard sell. the consequence of pushing the big lie which brooks was doing in that very speech not second earlier but 20920 election was stolen in trump when it common straebl was not. these lies aren't just ludicrous, a

the question is, is it too big for moderates like manchin and sinema to go along with.s at a time when the economy, the jobs report yesterday was very strong. there are concerns, of course, about inflation. there are concerns about businesses not being able to find workers to fill empty slots, but also we know that the delta variant is surging across the country. we heard from the president yesterday say, look, this is a good jobs report but it doesn't factor in what could be coming. it is a backward looking record as opposed to what we will see from the surge where we may see things slow down. that's part of the argument as to why the government still needs to have this influx of spending in the months ahead to create the sort of social net for people that struggled during the pandemic. >> let's talk about strategy when it comes to the reconciliation bill, because obviously jonathan bringing up the sinemas and manchins of the world and we don't know where they're going to stand when it comes to reconciliation and the democrats need them to get it across the finish line

with senator sinema and others. i'm hopeful that we can get some of these amendments, bipartisan amendments on the infrastructure bill on to the floor. i know my colleague, senator hagerty, is going to work on that here in a minute. i support what he is trying to do. i have an amendment, for example, that's very bipartisan. it would help all the tribes in america, alaska native tribes, lower 48 tribes to simply get the authority to extend the spending of their original cares act money that they got in march of 2020. they just got authority to actually start spending it. all we want to do is extend the deadline. no additional money for anybody. i think every senator here supports it. these are some of the bipartisan amendments that we're debating. hopefully we're going to get votes on these. whether you're going to be for the bill or against the bill, it will improve the bill. i know mine would. senator cornyn has one i'm supportive of and cosponsoring. so there's a number of amendments that we hope we can get to deb

so did kirsten sinema. the outline indicated lots of back and forth. price tag will probably come down some. big challenge will be holding democrats behind the tax increases which are popular if you look at the polls, but it's difficult to get politicians to vote to raise taxes on wealthy people and corporations because they've got very strong lobbying apparatuses in washington. but if they can, in fact, hold the revenue part of this, then the price tag becomes a little bit less significant if it's not deficit spending. that's a challenge for schumer, it's a challenge for biden and for pelosi. so far they've passed the tests that have been in front of them. >> john harwood, john avalon, appreciate it both. >> take care. >>> the downplay of explosion of covid cases in his state. he may be unaware the government is sending his hospitals hundreds of ventilators. plus a former u.s. attorney who abruptly resigned in the midst of trump's election attacks is testifying in front of senators today. new details on who else the panel may call. >>> and new york se

you have called out arizona senator kyrsten sinema.nking your own party's investment on child care, climate action and frfgs while presuming you'll survive a three-vote house margin. >> yeah. i mean, that's the thing. this is the deal and we have a tight margin in the senate. i respect that we have to get senator, you know, sinema and manchin's vote on reconciliation. they should respect there's a tight house margin and we have to uphold our end of the bargain as well. >> how many house progressives are also part of that majority. >> how many do you believe are with you on this? >> i believe a very large amount of the progressive caucus. the total amount is about 90. you know, i am not the whip of the progressive caucus, but what i can tell you is it's certainly more than three and it is in the double digits absolutely. >> enough to prevent it from passing? >> more than enough. >> president biden and other administration officials have signaled they believe the democrats can outorganize republicans even though republicans are passing a

guest: because of how joe manchin and kyrsten sinema in the senate have incredible leverage. the margin of their majority is so narrow in the senate and the house. in the house, nancy pelosi can only use -- lose three democrats on any given vote. josh gottheimer has now -- they were known as the moderate nine. they had nine moderates sticking together and saying my way or the highway or we are going to take down joe biden's agenda. now they have 10. stephanie murphy, one of the other leaders of the moderates. she is one of the cochairs of the blue dog democrats. she also has joined the group so now they have 10, so they have incredible leverage. they flexed their muscle last night and showed they mean business. it sounds like the two sides are inching closer to a deal. there's going to be another meeting at 9:00 a.m. this morning. they will have a separate briefing on the other big crisis, which is afghanistan. they will hear from officials including secretary of state tony blinken. nancy pelosi saying she hopes to have some kind of deal with gottheimer by noon, when she plan

looked at the climate coming from those who doubt and you look at the challenges ahead with senator sinema and mansion, what is your plan and do you have a deadline? sen. schumer: well first i would say some any people were dubious, we could get many things done. including many of you in the room. never get the aarp done in time. so far so good. how come? i try and i think our caucus tries to show respect for every member. we have a diverse caucus. we have bernie sanders, joe manchin, and everybody in between. and we show respect. we don't belittle or denigrate or anything. second and most important, every member of our caucus realizes unity is our strength. with 50 votes out of time when republicans on too many issues refused to cooperate at all, as you saw last night, we all need to be unified. everyone knows that. so that does not mean people don't fight for their beliefs but at the end of their day, we have to come together. thus far, we have. is it going to be easy on reconciliation? absolutely not. but if past this prologue, we have a decent chance. >> [indiscernible] sen. schumer: i

if this gets manchin and sinema on board, democrats can do it if they avoid the filibuster. where are conservatives? must be some in the senate prepared to say there's something we can do. why is this a party line issue? it hasn't been as hard to get republicans to back things as basic as the voting rights act. >> it's terrible. it's trump's republican party. i think juanita is right, and chuck schumer agrees there's not many republicans to be gotten. i think joe manchin knows this but wants a bill he can defend, go to republicans and say you want some amendments? go ahead, let's have a debate. i think will find few willing to debate or let it come to the floor, have an honest exchange of ideas, amendments and different proposals. once manchin goes through the process he will feel he's done what he can. big believer in bipartisanship to do that. then question is, is he willing to carve out something in the filibuster? he hasn't told me, but going to a lot of trouble if he is going to let it die. i think there's a decent chance. >>> the house speaker reacts to concerns of her

this comes on the heels of kyrsten sinema.n on the other side got bernie sanders, elizabeth warren and others in the senate saying it's not enough. they think three and half trillion should be more than that. that is just in the senates. it's more contentious when he gets over to the house. >> let's talk about the house. this is where the action starts to get interesting for the reports today there were more moderate vulnerable members and policies caucus that we don't like the way this is all going down. losey has said that democrats only built first and then they would go to the bipartisan bill. some of the moreod matodd ananan btin one f y ifone ie gh cause paublor y y youifoon ie nt twanterer pi. entionednded g and far ltefroesroad s s t payeeheyhean e money t tepent spent .o ap wapitpy af of n nufenenthr r . oescy noseadd d e neede howle doe dhe p >> ser numbers knowskns cnlynloshandfulndf vo , ifnydydydy can c c tea he proheba pan c goingoingong have reeall twisttwom arms. the politics of this are pretty simple from a ra

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it seems likely it will be cut down because in the senate, kyrsten sinema has said she doesn't like thatne number of $3.5 trillion. so it is not at this point a yes or no vote on a $3.5 trillion measure. it probably will end up being ambitious, but there's very much the option to scale this down and have a conversation about how much do we really want to pay for, how much do we really want to raise the corporate tax rate, how much do we really want to spend. those questions still haven't been answered, so something could pass even if it is not a bill as large as $3.5 trillion. jonathan: great work, as always. tk, i know exactly where you are going. these margins are so small down in washington in both the house and the senate, and they are doing such huge things with such tiny margins. let's go back to georgia. georgia has proved to be the difference between trillions in spending and hardly anything. you just wonder what the feedback, the blowback is going to be next year. tom: i don't know what it is like in the united kingdom. frankly, i get the feeling that in france, the focus is on

there has been a warning by kyrsten sinema saying she doesn't want to support something that comes toal of $3.5 trillion, so it is probably going to be a conversation about what do you pull out to make the price tag smaller. that is a conversation for when they get from recess and are not just working on this outline, but are actually working on a bill itself. so it is challenging. it is going to be a challenge where you focus on the moderates and see how they feel about the price tag and what kind of taxes and tax increases they would have to support to balance it out. but for now, they are on a pretty good track at least two probably this week hold a vote on that first part, just the outline. lisa: when i came in this morning, tom first asked me about my investment in a 10 suit -- in the 10 suit. then he asked -- the tan suit. that he asked me about the likelihood of this bill to get passed in the near term. there's some aspects that have folks in the crypto world concerned. jack: there was supposed to be a bipartisan deal tweaking reporting requirements to the irs from at least som

>> remember, he did have conversations, many conversations with joe manchin and senator sinema. has some someway with moderates. i'm not sure how much sway he would have. something is better than nothing. so at some point, democrats will make that calculation. it just depends on which one does make that calculation and when. in the meantime, it is this very fearful balancing act. any little movement in one direction and you could lose more people and you're in trouble. >> it's a real challenge. the former president, donald trump, he did come out strongly against the bipartisan infrastructure bill. republicans in the senate, 18 of them, voted to move forward, mitch mcconnell one of them, ignoring those calls from the president. listen to how senator rob portman, ohio republican, central to the negotiation, talked about donald trump when asked about it last week. >> i encourage president trump to take credit for this. president trump's effort to raise the level of awareness about the need for infrastructure improvement should help us get this done. he proposed a $1.5 trillion infr

is divided 50/50 with democrats with a tiebreaking vote in vice president harris but senators like sinema and manchin and republicans like come listens and romney do have a lot of influence and say in a senate that's so evenly divided so that's why you hear so much about it these days because a small number of senators or house members in this case can make a big difference. >> but the question is will you prioritize bipartisanship over the people? who wins and who loses? >> it is clear that the people will always lose on that side. as soon as the former congressman was just talking i thought about the moment, the first time on the house floor working on the hill and i remember rahm emanuel going up behind congressman clyburn when he was the majority whip when democrats took over the last time in 2011 and i remember rahm emanuel saying to this member of congress, it was congressman carney at the time. he came up right after congressman clyburn's team whipping the votes to be in alignment, the votes for the democratic member to vote today and he said you vote your conscious. you vote your

the cosponsors will be senators warner, loomis, portland, and cinema -- sinema. i really appreciate the important work that senator wyden has done along the way as we have wrestled with this issue. there is a broad, maybe universal agreement, that centralized digital asset exchanges working as brokers should be required to report transactions like other brokers already do. the underlying text of the bill attempts to do this, but does it in a way that we believe is significantly flawed. significant text would ensnare people and impose reporting and transaction reporting requirements on those to whom it should not apply and in some cases those who could not even possibly obtain the information. crypto transaction validator's. people who write software code that have no further involvement with the application. i think an analogy that might be help, think about merrill lynch. we impose reporting requirements on the transactions executed by a broker like merrill lynch, but we don't provide any such requirements on the electric company that provides the electricity to

among the democrats to secure those two votes because without either one of those votes, manchin and sinemaill is dead on arrival most likely. >> and senator schumer was also questioned today already about the debt ceiling. you know that janet yellen wants a stand alone bill and schumer made the point that it's been bipartisan for the last numbers of cycles and what you saw from mitch mcconnell and republicans is that they're not going along with the debt ceiling right now. they want it to be part of the reconciliation bill. or rather part of the bipartisan bill. >> sorry. is that for me? yes, and what you're seeing is certainly a turnaround from the past when the debt ceiling was not a problem for republicans during republican administrations and now you're seeing that pushback. it's just showing that despite the fact that we had this really big bipartisan show on the infrastructure bill, that was really an exception to what's happening on capitol hill and not the rule that you're really still seeing these partisan divisions that's basically based on the party of the lawmakers and who is i

look, you saw she was in phoenix, we have senator manchin and senator sinema who need to get on board with the voting act and the john lewis act and we need to set aside a filibuster so that can move forward. i'm optimistic that perhaps some sort of compromise can be reached so that an exception can be made and we can get these two pieces of legislation done in washington, d.c. it's within the power of democrats if they come together to do it, in particularly manchin and sinema have to understand how fundamental the issue of voting rights is to fairness and equality in this country. it was a beautiful sight to see today in washington and different communities across the country of people of different backgrounds, a multiracial coalition all marching together saying that voting rights is just as important to fight for in 2021 as it was in 1963. >> secretary castro, given your expertise in housing, i do also want to ask you about the supreme court's decision on the eviction moratorium. i mean, i think most americans, what they are focused on what it comes to the eviction moratorium that

that they would be able to get the votes to blow up the filibuster, because joe manchin and krysten sinemaid they won't blow it up. so there is no carve out there, and so voting rights is going to be, this voting reform bill, and any voting reform bill is going to be stuck in the mud. >> and victoria, looking at what is happening across the country, and in your state alone, the texas statehouse is moving ahead with their voting restrictions with a quorum there, and 18 states that have enacted more than two dozen laws in access to the vote already, and you are looking will at the map provided with information from the brennan center, and the last time that the voting rights reauthorization act was up, it passed 90-76, so when did this become a part of issue? >> that is in 2006, geoff, and it seems eons ago, but it was 15 years ago under republican george w. bush that there was a vote in a return to 1965 voting returns act. it seems a whole different world because of the contention, and the voting rights piece is a big one, but something that i have been thinking a lot about lately is redist

but what about the joe manchin and kyrsten sinemas of the world, are they on board?my partner in this. angus has been notable as one of the moderates in the senate. as you know, he is not a democrat, he is an independent who caucuses with the democrats. and has just come off helping negotiate this big bipartisan deal. i also want to remind you that back when we were presidential candidates, there were many things on which joe biden and i did not agree on tax policy, but one that we agreed strongly on was the need to tax book profits of giant corporations. so i think that this will have a lot of support throughout the democratic caucus but i think a lot of support across the country. >> there is certainly a lot of support from the american people. the tax you are proposing would hit about 1300 companies. what would your plan be to make sure these companies don't flee to tax havens overseas? how do you avoid that? >> let me start by reminding you, this is not about raising the marginal income tax on corporations. there is separate work on that. i think much of that nee

i respect we have to get senator sinema and manchin's vote on rex tillerson on sill yags.ould also respect there is a very tight house margin and we have to be able to uphold our end of the bargain as well. house progressives are part of that majority. >> i can't really guarantee anybody, you know, and i have not guaranteed anybody on any of these pieces of legislation. we would like to do more, yeah. you can do what you can pay for. this is pay for. >> if only that was the only conflict on capitol hill this weekend. a newly obtained audio clip captures house minority leader kevin mccarthy making these comments about house speaker nancy pelosi. listen. >> i want you to watch nancy pelosi hand me that gavel. [ cheers and applause ] it'll be hard not to hit her with it. >> leader mccarthy delivered knows remarks during a tennessee fund-raiser. a spokesman said he was obviously joking. >>> let's begin with democratic senator ben cardin of maryland. senator cardin, good evening. glad to have you with us. >> joshua, it's good to be with you. >> what's your understanding tonight

that's what this highlights more than anything is that joe manchin and kyrsten sinema will use their power in the senate to obstruct concessions. in the house, it is very hard for individual members certainly and even small clicks of individuals to act in that same way, especially when you have a strong leader. there is just more punishment that can be dolled out. there is more pain that can be inflicted. and, so, you just ultimately you will find yourself looking at each other and saying, am i really going to capsize joe biden's agenda and am i really going to get in the cross hairs of nancy pelosi? that's the difference between the senate and the house. joe manchin gets rewarded for the way he is in the senate. >> john and norm, thank you both very much for reconvening the supreme court of the infrastructure bill here on "the last word." really appreciate it. >> you bet. >>> coming up, the evacuation from afghanistan. the biden administration has already achieved in that evacuation what many reporters called impossible just last week. we will be joined next by a west point graduate

this comes on the heels of kyrsten sinema.and half trillion. as you mention on the other side got bernie sanders, elizabeth warren and others in the senate saying it's not enough. they think three and half trillion should be more than that. that is just in the senates. it's more contentious when he gets over to the house. >> let's talk about the house. this is where the action starts to get interesting for the reports today there were more moderate vulnerable members and policies caucus that we don't like the way this is all going down. losey has said that democrats only built first and then they would go to the bipartisan bill. some of the more moderate said we want the bipartisan one first if you don't give it we might cause problems for you if you go in the sequence you want to, speaker pelosi. as you mentioned and got the far left progressive squad tight people saying they want even more money to be spent to. there's not happy with any of it it's not sufficient in their eyes. how does nancy pelosi thread the needle how doe