we may -- what if sinema came back and said i can support this and work it with map -- manchin but sinema is the key vote. yamiche: sinema being the key vote you wrote this amazing lead that caught my attention in politico. you said somehow, some way, joe biden is back in the game. can you talk a bit more about that given what john just said? jonathan: certainly not done yet. but if this were to come to be and if biden perhaps even plays the role of a closer here, it would be a significant win for this white house. this is -- as -- a moment ago, the string of really tough luck for this president. as well as mistakes made along the way. it's been a string of bad news here. and for instance, he has received high marks from both sides of the aisle for his -- the way he's rallied the world to help ukraine defend itself against russia. but that's not getting him any votes at home. americans don't vote on foreign policy and on domestic issues democrats really facing some head winds here. we see that in the polls. but if this can be a win, and it should be white house aides were noted the timing

we have not heard from sinema. has in the past been against tax measures and there are tax increases on this. >> yes. this is a great package. it's the president's agenda. you talk about inflation. it's going to help consumers pay for prescription drugs, bring down costs, make vital investments in kwlie mat. we mentioned tax increases. we need to be responsible. i'm confident in that. there are ups and downs in every piece of legislation. i have no doubt that between now and when both of these bills get to the president's desk, there will be ups and downs. we are persisting. american people are with us. both of these packages are enormously popular. i think that's because people realize it's the right thing to do. >> with such a big focus on inflation, of course, the biggest economic problem right now, is it time to remove those tariffs on china? >> it could be. the president is taking a very hard look at that. is studying the pros and the cons. i will say, i don't -- even if the president were to lift tariffs, it'

there >> you never know with kyrsten sinema.one of the senators who does not just get in line with the party. it was a big win for democrats this week, and senator joe manchin actually came to the president and said, and his colleagues and said he supports this bill including a lot of climate provisions that were really key to the presidents agenda. and so kyrsten sinema, she has shown us time and time again. she is going to do what she's gonna do, she loves being in the press, being the fallout. but she is not here to work with democrats and pass are agendas. so, i'm hopeful that her colleagues can push her along and say, listen we've got to have some winds in order for us to deliver. so that people have something to vote for. and keep us in power in the midterm election. that is only 101 days away. >> kurt, if the democrats get this bill to the presidents ask, how much is gonna help the party politically ahead of the midterms? how much is it helped? >> well, i think significantly. so, alex, winning begets winning, bigots winni

now you will have to get senator sinema on board. often is paired off with senator manchin but on policy she has raised some objections to getting rid of the carried interest loophole. that's going to have to be discussed but that is in the bill and the other thing on the politics is if you're senator sinema she allied with senator manchin and doesn't want to be the robin to his batman and democrats have to give her something to vote with them in the round of amendments because through reconciliation you need the democratic votes and vice president harris as the tie breaker. >> here is manchin on sinema. listen. >> first of all, senator sinema is a dear friend. we won't raise taxes and we don't. i think that basically looking at the bill and sees the whole spectrum of what we are doing and the reduction of prices by bringing prices down and more energy will be positive about it but she will make a decision and i respect that. >> is it your feeling he has a feeling of where she is and perhaps they allow her to make the announcement he

remember, we have not heard from kyrsten sinema since the bill was. announced the last word from her spokesperson said she was still reviewing. it but we know that she has been vehemently opposed to that closed interest loophole. that is something that senator manchin defended keeping in the spell. he said that it is his argument for why he thinks it does not raise taxes. and he really explain why some i should still back. it listen to how he made an appeal to her this morning. >> she basically insisted that no tax increases, we've done that. she was very adamant about that. i know i support and i agree with her. she was also very instrumental in making sure that we are drug prices that medicare could compete on certain drugs to bring it down to that there wouldn't be an impact on individuals. on medicare across. she is doing all of this. she is a tremendous amount of impact input on this piece of legislation. and i like think to think should be her hero towards it. but i respect you, decision from a current decision based on context. >> now we know s

putting the focus on arizona democratic senator kyrsten sinema. a key swing voter who is not part of the discussions about the deal brokered by majority leader chuck schumer and joe manchin of west virginia. sinema spokesperson noncommittal. >> she's going to be reviewing the text. >> reporter: as democrats expressed measured optimism. >> i would hope she would be receptive. >> hopefully we'll have 50 votes. >> let's bring in correspondent ali raffa. good morning. good to see you. so we heard from senator sinema saying she's reviewing the text and has been for last couple of days. is there really a chance that she will be the holdout to prevent this piece of legislation to go through. >> that is what chuck schumer is hoping doesn't happen. this is becoming a game of numbers and the million dollar question here on capitol hill is whether they will have these 50 democratic votes, if not only present but also voting in favor of this bill. remember there is no proxy voting in the senate like there is in the house. so all of the senators have to physic

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there is going to be immense amount on kyrsten sinema to get on board with this.fascinating element do this if democrat have the votes because there are people out there. are people with covid. there are people out of the senate. they may have people rolling in on gurneys, you know, in biosuits to make these votes. all right. winners and loser. >> i don't think it's the first time the senate gets rolled in way. winner beyonce she is out with seventh album. congrats to her. loser of the week brian deese biden's economic adviser trying to redefine the word recession. i will try that in the next administration myself. that's a good tactic. >> bret: matthew winner and loser. >> republican congressional baseball team they faced down climate protesters. they have faced down a rain delay and faced down the democrats and won 10-0. a blow-out. my loser is the pga tour. they are coming under a scrutiny doj antitrust investigation now pro-am that's a success with trump and sir charles against them. >> bret: it's the liv tour. >> chuck schumer after months of frustration. som

what are we hearing from sinema?were in there with pelosi saying that he would say to her, this is an anti-inflation bill and it's a tax fairness bill. it's not increasing taxes on everyone that carried interest issue and it's good for the economy. >> reporter: that's exactly what senator manchin said when i spoke with him over zoom yesterday. it's the argument he continues to make. when i asked senator manchin if he would potentially be willing to lose the carried interest loophole provision, he said he wouldn't. that's one of the things that now goes into this balancing act. sinema previously drawn a line around that not being something she could support. manchin is now saying that he is not willing to lose it. it does bring us to an impasse. at the same time, we haven't gotten an update on sinema's position. there's the story of the frustration around some of this. it's a frustration that schumer spoke to yesterday in regards to manchin. it's something they have agreed, things have gotten heated over the course of

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at the same time, i mean, we are watching sinema, we are waiting to hear what she said.ven't had any really concrete feedback after the deal was made, publicly, but what we can expect is what we're hoping is that with the start schedule that we have, going into the august recession, which is the key time for campaigning, is that we can get all democrats on board to go forward and say, this is the deal that we are bringing to the table. now, sinema and manchin, those two, holding up many deals and iterations of biden's big economic agenda. but what we are hoping for is if can sinema come to the table and say, these are the places that i can stand with to make sure that all the other provisions of this deal, as sahil just said, when we are looking at with the impact of it is, there has to be some space to move forward. and in this case, the negotiations need to come to a head at this point. that's what you are seeing with sinema so we are watching closely to see what she says. and if she is going to move in the right direction, where we expect if you were to be speaking, w

but what is the likelihood for senator sinema not to go along with party lines? >> that is what the white house aides is talking about. and wondering. and what is interesting, this that has been the case for a very long time. people have continuously talked about manchin but kyrsten sinema has had her own issues with the "build back better" agenda, with some of the carried interest loopholes that are a part of the bill that is going to possibly get a vote next week in the senate. and her team has been kind of mum on how she would vote on what we've seen before us. and i think when you talk to manchin aides, there is not frustration by them, i think they understand the process. but they do question sometimes, well, sinema -- manchin is not the only one who is a part of this process and i think people are hopeful that they will be able to convince her. she is a little bit more liberal than joe manchin, but all eyes are on kyrsten sinema. while there is excitement in the white house right now about what is possible, but there is a concern that it could once again --

it's true that manchin and sinema would napoli ball, but at the end of the day -- we're not gonna get it until we -- the republicans. >> one of those republicans there's been a real problem for both the democratic agenda. both our american public life. public health, ron johnson, wisconsin, cornell, let's zoom into the race in wisconsin. what can you tell us about the reaction to mandela barnes's primary rivals trump dropping out this week endorsing him -- deciding not to fight amongst themselves and focus on the big prize, ron johnson's seat? >> democrats see as, it's very good news for leader schumer that they've been able to clear that field. so that you have the lieutenant governor there spin-off's resources fighting at a primary. look, 40 6:44, i want to sort of caution our viewers, because oftentimes, and we're viewers will see barnes leads -- oh barnes is gonna cÔte d'ivoire win -- there still voters out there who are so on the fence. still making up their minds. the lead doesn't mean a win. however, he always want to be in front, not behind with a lot of voters out there still

senator kyrsten sinema, have you talked to senator sinema whose vote is still unknown on these bills? and where do you think she'll go? because if she doesn't vote for it, it doesn't happen. >> yeah. senator sinema is a dear friend of mine, we work very close together on so many pieces of legislation. and she is so involved in this legislation. when you think about it, she's the one that really negotiated and worked very hard on getting negotiate for lower drug prices, saving $288 billion. that's tremendous. which i support her completely on that. she's always been adamant about we're not going to raise taxes and i agree with her wholeheartedly, very, very carefully evaluations that we wouldn't raise any taxes. >> have you tried to -- >> the last scrub that was done -- no, we don't -- i never lobby my colleagues on that. i just basically put the facts out, try to answer questions, i'm always trying to negotiate with them, if they want, and i try to, and sometimes we don't get there, they get frustrated but we're always looking at the next opportunity to improve the quality of life in

. >> all eyes on kyrsten sinema.nd her team said they would review the bill over the weekend. i've been talking to a source close to the senator, though who points to the fact that this new reconciliation bill includes the carry interest provision, that she has long said that she opposes. now, manchin's team says tough, they're not taking it out, but this could be where battle lines get drawn. the question is, though, chuck, there is too much pressure on sinema, does she need to find a way to support this, does she find compromise in some other area like prescription drugs? that's where you have some democrats saying, look, they might be able to move a little bit and give her a win. she wasn't a part of the final rounds of discussions, and that could create a last minute snag here. >> jonathan what do you think? >> it is an extraordinary thing if she were to be the lone vote that sinks a package that has so many democratic priorities and they have been trying so long and so hard to get done. we know that the white ho

but now democrats must also get the support of arizona senator kirsten sinema.u think this reconciliation bill could give democrats some momentum going into the midterms? >> it absolutely could give democrats a lot of momentum, if they get it across the finish line, rev. and i want to emphasize that if because what you just mentioned about senator sinema can't be taken lightly. but honestly, rev. i don't want any more drama about this reconciliation package, and if senator sinema wants it, i hope you because it is unproductive negotiations behind closed doors, with schumer, just like manchin did to get this done. because we don't need the dramatics of another dramatics of the voter florida vote. instead i hope senator sinema decides to be productive this go around and actually voice what she wants to see changed, and reach a deal with schumer, and democrats, so they can have this massive win that shows voters how hard they are fighting for them all republicans are sitting on the sidelines of doing nothing, absolutely nothing to lower cost for family or combat cl

on kyrsten sinema or manchin's back. >> depends who you're asking in the democratic party., progressive democrats who want to put a target on them, but they're not up for re-election, and as you pointed out, they're crucial to this democratic majority. i think one of the challenges that democrats have with messaging is that for most americans, understanding that democrats control both chambers of congress, and the presidency, and so there is frustration that biden has not been able to get more done. if you talk to people inside the white house, they will say look, we're trying our best, yes we do have control, but because of the rules of the senate, they need a lot more democrats in that chamber to get things done. i think we've seen biden evolve on the issue of the filibuster and a rule that requires 60 votes for most substantive legislation, calling for these votes rights and abortion, but a slow-moving process for biden, a long-time senator, who is an institutionalist and wants to keep the rules in place but i think he's seen as they have been stifled in their pursuit of

but senator sinema has some concerns, but we have a structure that doesn't destroy venture capital.i have not seen these materials, but i'm going to get senator sinema weigh in once she reviews the documents. on the components beyond the drug pricing, it did catch a lot of us off guard. >> senator john cornyn said republicans were deceived with the quick turn around with passing the chips bill to the announcement of the manchin/cornyn bill. so what do you say to your republican colleagues who feel as though they were duped or misled? >> well, again, i think these are two separate paths. i tell you as someone who has spent the last 24 hours making sure that the house someones, who were going to support this record investment, held on. you know, i wish that perhaps senator manchin and senator schumer could have waited to this afternoon opposed to yesterday afternoon. that caused some bumps. but i think into the day, the chips bill passed with 24 republican house members today. and there is, you know, we have these competing timelines. we want to get this bill, chips, to the president

we still don't know where senator sinema is on this. we've got the assumption that all 49 are on board but they need 50 and we're not sure they have that for sure right now. >> i'm going to let you track down kyrsten sinema and see what she has to say to you. the president tells us the economy is on the right path. i want to play a little bit of what secretary yellen said about the idea that we're in a recession. >> most economists and most americans have similar definition of recession, substantial job losses and mass layoffs, businesses shutting down, private sector activity slowing considerably, family budgets under immense strain, in some a broad-based weakening of our economy. that is not what we're seeing right now when you look at the economy. job creation is continuing. household finances remain strong. consumers are spending and businesses are growing. >> of course the counter to that, jason, is inflation and high prices. what are you watching for and where do you see the economy going from here? when you look at that gdp numbe

and the question i think now is, not sinema, i think sinema will back this.s whether or not bernie sanders will. because bernie has come out and criticize this to somewhat. at the end of the day, i think this reconciliation bill -- so you only need 50 democratic senators plus the vice president -- so i think it passes. >> is senator sanders on board? do you know? >> i haven't talked to senators, senator sanders is pragmatist who takes progress. and i think he's gonna look at, this he's gonna evaluate it, but if he sees that this is a good for the climate, and it's gonna reduce emissions, i think he's gonna be favorably inclined. >> and the best that he can get. >> you know they say, success has 1000 fathers, fathers and orphans. let's see with this child becomes. everyone, congressman khanna, doug, jonah goldberg, thank you so much, we'll be right back. ♪ i try so hard, i can't rise above it ♪ ♪ i don't know what it is 'bout that little ♪ get a dozen shrimp for only one dollar with any steak entrée. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. men put their sk

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where kyrsten sinema stands. and new reporting from "the washington post" on more missing text messages leading up to the attack on the capitol not from the secret service but two top trump administration officials. details of that new reporting ahead as well. >>> and later on, we don't have the manpower as the doj's january 6th probe expands, sources telling our team resources are at a breaking point. what we're learning about the most wide-ranging investigation in justice department history coming up as well. >>> i'm in for hallie jackson. want to get to ali vitali on capitol hill. what i am hearing as we wrap up this incredibly surprising week to say the least is that there is a procedural vote happening in the next couple minutes. walk us through what you know. >> reporter: yeah. certainly a week with a lot of twists and turns here between the senate and the house. the house leaving town now, at least for the next week or so, and doing it with a flurry of activity before they get there, setting up this vote,

how do we know she's not gonna throw a -- what is your message to senator sinema? >> i am not doing predictions about any of my colleagues. i am talking about what makes this a bill that helps reduce inflation and on the part about taxes. that if we can get this through, it not only pays for the climate portion, and the health care portion. but it also has hundreds of billions of dollars left over to actually reduce the national debt. this is a bill that truly is about fighting inflation, bringing down costs for families, and putting the country on a sound or economic footing. >> so you describe this bill as manchin is schumer have as anti inflation -- the fed has been doing its own anti-inflation reactivity this week. you wore that jerome powell shouldn't raise rates again, but he did today. another historic rise. how worried are you now at the prospect of an interest rate rise induced recession in the coming weeks or months? >> i am very worried. and the reason i'm worried, is that using the one tool that the fed has, which is to raise interest rates, and using i

you point out senator sinema is still reviewing the bill. she has a long record of being supportive on environmental issues. this is so important in this bill, this major investment, getting the greenhouse gas reductions down by 40% by 2030. that's a big change. then we're on the way to where i want to be, to net zero by 2050. the prescription drug piece and senator cinema had already negotiated pieces of that. i've been leading on this bill for a long time and it's not everything i wanted, but, man, it is a start finally. pharma has had in place a ban forever saying medicare can't negotiate less expensive drugs for our seniors, 46 million people. finally that ban is being lifted. i cannot tell you how important this deficit reduction act is and these inflation changes that we're going to see, $300 billion. senator manchin's focus on deficit reduction which is why it's called the inflation reduction act. i'm pretty excited about this package as you can see. i think people thought it couldn't happen. senator schumer never gave up and we're ab

the question i've got now is not sinema. i think sinema will back this.ernie sanders will because bernie has come out and criticized this somewhat. at the end of the day i think it's a reconciliation bill so you only need 50 democratic senators plus the vice president so i think it passes. >> is sanders on board? do you know? >> i haven't talked to senator sanders. he's a pragmatist that takes progress. he'll look at it and evaluate it but if he sees it's good for the climate and reduce emissions, he'll be favorably inclined. >> they say success has a thousand fathers, failure and orphans. let's see what this child becomes. everyone, thank you so much. we'll be right back. hey greg? uhh, hello? it's me, , your heart! really? yeyes, oh recording an ekg in 30 seconds! tada! wow that was fast. you know it! kardia offers the only personal ekgs that detect 6 of the most common arrhythmias in just 30 seconds. so you can manage your heart health from home or on the go. your heart rhythm is normal. no arrhythmias in sight. i wonder what my doctor would say? ooo,

>> i'm cautiously optimistic, but there's the second tyranny of sinema, so stay tuned. i'm cautiously optimistic we'll land the plane. if we pass the inflation reduction act, president biden would have presided over five landmark achievements. bipartisan gun safety bill, to the bipartisan semiconductor and scientific research bill, the inflation reduction act, that level of bipartisan achievement would be unthinkable. there's a disconnect between what he's accomplished and the media narrative of his presidency in peril. >> the reality is, people still can't afford gas, what i'm nervous about this, with ukrainian conflict food prices are going to become even more expensive and more scarce. the reality for them that this is legislation that doesn't affect them from the moment they wake up in the morning until they go to sleep at night and that's the challenge for the president. he can point to bipartisanship. nancy pelosi in the end talks about how partisan the republicans are. in the end the quality of life of the people that you represent and you represent them well, th

but the other key democrat we have not yet heard from is senator kyrsten sinema of arizona. she opposed ending the carry interest tax break for high earners and her office declined to comment to nbc news when asked about that provision being included, in this new manchin deal. the federal reserve following through on another three quarters of a point rate hike as it tries to fight inflation running at 40-year highs but what the fed chairman said about the future may signal whether the economy is headed for a recession. nbc news correspondent tom costello has the details. >> the federal reserve doesn't like surprise, and it delivered just what it promised. >> a unanimous decision by the federal reserve to hike interest rates by 75 basis points. >> a big move, three quarters of a point, the most aggressive series of rate hikes since the early '90s, as the fed tries to catch up with run-away inflation, the goal to bring inflation down from 9% now to 2%. and the price hikes continue to eat into family and small business budgets. in las vegas, jill schlesinger opened a gluten and

senator sinema has really been quite as to whether she will support this. capitol hill press corps literally chasing her around capitol hill yesterday trying to get a answer from her on where she stands from this. sinema through the spokespeople are looking through and reviewing this 700-page bill. that was echoed by senate majority leader chuck schumer when he spoke to my colleague ali vitali yesterday. take a look. >> every member, i've given every member a few days to read the bill. it's 5,700-page bill, and hopefully we'll be talking and vote for the bill. >> reporter: manchin is not willing to part with the interest rate loophole. >> well all get together. >> reporter: what if she doesn't support the bill? >> we're letting people read the bill. >> reporter: another factor complicating things on capitol hill regarding these numbers are the rising covid cases among lawmakers. you have senator joe manchin back home announcing he got it earlier this week and senator dick durbin announcing yesterday he's tested positive. something we're tracking here on cap

something that does not see a path right now given top democratic senators joe manchin and kyrsten sinema do not support overturning the filibuster, that is why we are seeing biden changes strategy looking to elect to democrats to congress ahead of the midterms because he wants otherwise, he is worried that republicans will pass a federal ban on abortion. so that messaging leading up to the midterms is what we are likely to see more of on the campaign trail. katie? >> our thanks to more barrett, live at the white house. coming up, i'm going to speak with nbc news national political reporter mark caputo, and the host of the woke a f podcasts daniel moody about the supreme courts and stop erosion of our rights, and whether it was one of the most damaging terms in history. turning now though to the january six committee hearings, allegations of witness tampering after that bombshell testimony from former white house aide cassidy hutchinson, near the end of the testimony committee vice chair liz cheney showed this message. >> this is a call received by one of our witnesses, quote, a person le

will democrats be able to get their whole caucus, including senator sinema on board? >> so there's definitely a sense of cautious optimism here on capitol hill because they wanna get this done before the senate leaves for that august recess or says on the end of next week. and we are still a few things possibly getting in their way. the first of which is this rising number of covid cases, here on capitol hill. the latest of which is senator dick durbin testing positive earlier this week. the earliest he could possibly come in for a vote is wednesday. remember, schumer needs all the democratic summiteer's not only physically present for this vote, because the senate doesn't have proxy voting like the house does, he needs them all to support this bill because he knows that he can't rely on any gop votes for this. so that gives schumer some wiggle room, that wednesday date, to get another vote block possibly smoothed out. and that is really where arizona moderate senator kirsten sinema stands on all of this. and remember, she has posed past parts of, hatch versions of th

senator sinema has not spoken publicly since the spill was announced. her team -- still working on 700 pages but mission other democrats say they don't think that she tank this bill unilaterally at some point. which he knows is at stake in other parts of the steel. we know senate majority leader chuck schumer is hoping to get it passed by the end of this week when senators leave on that august recess. >> definitely watching reactions closely, ali, i also know that a protest underway at the capitol over the pact act. what can you tell us about that? what's going on? >> yet, dozens of people, mostly veterans themselves have been gathering at the steps of the capitol. really since thursday when almost two, over two dozen republicans reverse their support for this bill that would support veterans exposed to toxic burn pits in war because of what they're calling is a budget dispute. democrats, veterans groups, even john stewart who's been advocating for this legislation for almost a decade here on capitol hill. are saying that this was payback. they're sayin

i think what's clear is the fact that he hasn't talked to senator kyrsten sinema. you're also getting a little bit of behind the scenes because that's what our zoom booth looks like because senator manchin is at home with covid. >> quite luxurious. i had forgotten how fabulous it is there. i want to go back to this big picture, if i can, eugene, which is the point of the new york magazine headline that biden has been brought back from the dead. i guess one argument is the president's numbers have been so low, there was nowhere to go but up. the other is the victory was snatched from the jaws of defeat. what are they feeling at the white house? are you sensing from them that they think now there's the start of a turnaround? >> i would say cautious optimism. they have felt earlier, time after time during this administration, that they had turned a corner, and last summer they thought they were turning a corner on covid and that is still a large part of our lives. then you had afghanistan. so since then, when good things do happen, they kind of wait a little bit for i

have you spoken to senator sinema >> we'll be talking and hopefully we have 50 votes. >> reporter: and no unforeseen absences next week. also tonight the house passing bipartisan legislation to ramp up semiconductor production in the u.s. now it goes to the president's desk. >> thank you >>> and the january 6 committee is hearing from more of president trump's inner circle pete williams joins us now. who have they heard from >> reporter: the latest to testify today in private was one of president trump's closest aides mick mulvaney, the acting white house chief of staff until early 2020 he became special envoy to northern ireland but he resigned the night of the capitol riot mike pompeo who was trump's secretary of state now says he's talking with the committee about possibly testifying and the january 6 chairman bennie thompson says the committee has worked out a way to share all the evidence and witness transcripts with the justice department meantime the trump legal team is urging a federal court to rule that he's absolutely immune from the civil lawsuits filed against him over the

mostly covid and kyrsten sinema. >> thank you both. judy? judy: thanks geoff.we mentioned, a new report today indicates the u.s. economy is in a slowdown for certa -- and possibly aecession. this was the second straight quarter where the gross domestic product fell into negative territory, dropping by nearly 1%. economists often mark a recession by two straight quarters of negative growth. but the jobs market has remained strong during the first half of year, which muddies the picture. the president and his team are insisting this is not a recession -- at least not yet. but many americans have told pollsters they believe a recession is already under way. i'm joined from the white house by gene sperling, senior advisor to president biden, and the american rescue plan coordinator. welcome back to the newshour. as we are saying, it is not knowable now if the country is technically in a recession, but we know that growth is slowing. my question is does the president think now it is more important to continue this focus on fighting inflation or is it time to turn an

kailey: what do you think about the odds of kyrsten sinema giving it a thumbs up?t is kyrsten sinema, the assault crew, and sickness. let's run through each of them. sickness, we don't know which senator is going to get covid and next. that matters when you need every vote to get through. on the salt crew, we have to watch menendez and the other senator from new jersey to see if they will blow up this deal that he sold it cap has not been lifted or eliminated. and that that is all eyes on senator kyrsten sinema. at the moment i think she will be a yes. most of my contacts believe she will get the yes and we will see her blowing up this deal on things like the carried interest treatment which is something that has matter to her in the past. i am telling clients we expect this bill to become law. i think the odds are better that this bill becomes law by the end of the year. jonathan: can i throw in an extra s? secrecy. we can about this, i wonder how much more we don't know. how did they get this through chuck schumer amanda joe manchin in d.c. without anyone knowing

including joe manchin and sinema, they are against everything. we found out with him taking all that money he is taking, i'd do the same thing too. i'll go ahead and vote like the republicans. but it's time for america to wake up. host: one of those hearings that will take place today deals with military assault weapons and mass shootings. that will be at the senate judiciary committee 10:00 on c-span3, our app and our website. from colorado, we'll hear from robert, democrats line. caller: i'm a democrat. have been for, i guess, forever. but what i don't understand is why the president is letting so many people into this country, is destroying everything that's going on. even in colorado. even in -- at the v.a., they won't give me any -- anything to fix my legs or anything. every time i try to go get something done, oh, we got to have this, we got to have that. it's so bad now that people are just about ready to say -- to throw up everything and say to heck with the united states. host: why do you connect that with people coming into the country?

the president saying that democrats do not have the votes to do that because of joe manchin and sinema, to stand firm in their opposition to a filibuster carveout. but president biden said, what we need to do is elect two more democratic senators, two democratic pickups in the senate midterm elections which, if that happened, brings the democrats to 52 which means they can still lose joe manchin and kyrsten sinema and still carveout the filibuster exception and pass something. the president putting democrats on notice that he would go around the objections of senators joe manchin and kyrsten sinema if it means they can get federal legislation on roe v. wade which is a big if because democrats would have to pick up two seats in midterm elections which many democrats are bracing for democrats to have a difficult time . >> and they have to keep the house majority. robert, this is a generational earthquake in terms of u.s. policy. do you think the white house is matching the seismic stakes of this moment? >> i think that is a great question that today's event will have to go a long way tow

that other person who reliably plays that role is senator kyrsten sinema.g, i'm just gonna read this that we have from a source close to sinema, she's not upset she wasn't included in talks, although it is true she was not looped in are included. she found out about this when the press release came out. what is interesting is notable is that the deal includes a tax provision she has been clear and consistent with opposing, that was not in the house passed bill. it also is not needed as a pay for or for deficit reduction, it randomly reappeared here despite kirsten's known opposition. sifting through all of that, i hear, i wasn't part of the negotiations, but, okay whatever. you put in this provision that i already said i'm not for, you put it in any ways, but it doesn't really matter, so, if you take it out, all support the bill. am i reading that, right john? >> i think you are. you know, i think she's gonna be a troublemaker. i think because her name is not on their she's not gonna like it. you had a great interview with ro khanna earlier in the show, jon

and even if it does pass the senate with manchin and kyrsten sinema's blessings it will still need to overcome the objections of some conservative democrats well. house as joe manchin's support does appear to be a potentially big victory for democrats especially for chuck schumer and for joe jo biden, one that may be due in no small part to smart messaging back in january, inspired from an idea of a national security expert, democrats should rename build back better as the anti-inflation act of 2022 and put it in front of manchin co vote down.vo and six months later, that is sort of what they did. take a look at that again. here is the headline. manchin supports inflation reduction act of 2022. that is how democrats are shifting the narrative on this new slimmed down version of biden's legislative agenda. because many of the policies that the dems have been pushing all along, things like reducing drug price, taxing corporations, investing in new sources of energy, n these are all things that will help reduce inflation, and it comes at r a time when t debate about how america should ta

occasionally joe manchin will do the right thing, thank goodness, and occasional kyrsten sinema willwell. when it comes to these types of radical a point -- they run for the hills. >> these democrats about 100% of the time for these radical biden nominees. >> laura: with got to put pressure on the others, including joe manchin. thank you very much. the white house is doing everything in its power to reassure the public that biden is handling his covid covid really, really, really well. the results have been less than inspiring. raymond arroyo is back from a well-deserved break, and he breaks on the tape next. i would say that to me an important aspect is too... meta portal with smart sound. helps reduce your background noise. bring that sense of calm, really... so you come through, loud and clear. meta portal. the smart video calling device that makes work from home work for you. as someone with hearing loss i know what a confusing and frustrating experience getting hearing aids can be. that's why i founded lively. affordable, high-quality hearing aids with all of the features you ne

future of the legislation now seems to be restingen on the -- resting on the shoulders of kyrsten sinema. she stayed silent pressed by reporters. >> senator, you won't say how you will vote? >> like we said, we are reviewing it and see what the text is. >> do you have a time line for reviewing the bill? >> she seems to take pride in being an enigma previously said she does not support the carried tax loophole which is a key provision in the new legislation, and to make matters even more complicated for democrat, dick durbin in illinois announced yesterday he tested positive for covid-19. for the package to pass in the upper chamber, democrats will need in person votes from all 50 members. senator manchin is also working remotely as he too announced a positive covid test earlier in the week. >>> the bill is already facing harsh criticism by republicans. senator john baraso of wyoming said it is nothing short of an attack on the american family. and a member of the senate finance committee chuck grassley of iowa had this to say. >> it's not the time to increase taxes or spending, it's goin

sinema has refused to say where she will come down.nt, she would not answer questions about it today. she did not even go to a senate democratic caucus meeting where they discussed these issues. her office is waiting for the senate parliamentarian's review of this bill to move ahead. that is the other big obstacle here, jake. the senate parliamentarian needs to decide whether this can pass muster under the senator's budget rules. if she does say that, then the bill can pass along straight party lines avoiding a filibuster, meaning they don't need any republican votes to get this done. so these are the two cheap hurdles. but chuck shumer is optimistic this will move ahead after he and joe manchin reengaged in talks and cut this deal. manchin told me and other reporters today that he was alarmed at the inflation numbers that came out in june, mid july about the june numbers. that's why he initially stepped back. but he continued to talk and a deal was reached. take a listen. >> that 9.1 came in, i just can't do it. our tempers are gettin

and democratic senator kyrsten sinema has not given her approval, right? >> yeah. think since early june, they haven't had all 50 senator, all 50 democrats, in the chamber mostly because of covid and senator leahy hurt his hip. covid is one of the biggest things they have to worry about. unlike the house, senators cannot vote remotely. they never instituted that during covid. that's a big fear. as you point out, this was a deal between manchin and schumer. there's some reporting out there that sinema is taking her time reviewing this and is letting the world know that, hey, she didn't sign off on anything. she's been the other senator that's been very, very difficult to wrangle. looks like all 48 other democrats are on board with whatever schumer can get out of manchin. but sinema is still a question mark, as you point out. >> yeah, i want to talk about something that seems to be a little bit related. that is the burn bits bill. >> yeah. >> likely suffered at the expense of announcing this deal. republican senators surprisingly reversed course. they blocked it earl

>> i've been in touch with kyrsten sinema but not on this topic. we've been actually working on several other of the weighty issues that are coming through. but she has, as you indicate, yet to announce her public position on the bill. i know she's studying it very carefully. >> okay. another priority for democrats is a bill to codify same-sex marriage. senator susan collins, as you know, republicans not particularly happy with this democratic agreement here. they feel that democrats pulled an end around on them. you said that the budget bill will make it harder to get gop votes to support the same-sex marriage bill. do you believe this bill will still get the ten republican votes it needs to go forward? >> i do think it will get the ten republicans we need to move forward. however, the timing is now quite uncertain. not only are we dealing with some senators who are out because of covid, but we also will be in our last week before the august recess which is next week, tackling this large reconciliation package that has climate change provisions, l

we haven't heard from kyrsten sinema yet. her silence could be deadly to this thing. >> it could be deadly, we haven't heard from kyrsten sinema, i think people are more concerned that senator joe manchin is going to stick to the steel. senator sinema has made clear, throughout the months and months of negotiations, through the different negotiations of this bill, but the climate components are actually one of the most important things to her. and the fact that those 400 billion dollars dedicated to climate, the largest investment in history by colleague at the washington post, tony rahm, reports, i think this might be enough to get her over the finish line together to support it. but, she hasn't come out saying one way or another, just about 30 minutes ago i checked in with her office and they still don't have anything to report yet. but this is something that was a huge surprise. not only to reporters, not only to senate aides, but senators and lawmakers as well. and so, democrats are thrilled about, it will see if they can

senator kyrsten sinema has not said anything publicly about this plan. we know she has previously opposed the carried loophole. when's the last time you spoke with senator sinema and are you open to any changes that she might suggest? >> first of all, senator sinema is my dear friend. we work very close together on so many things. she has so much in this piece of legislation. she's formed quite a bit of it and worked on it very hard w. that, she's brought down drug prices. been very instrumental in letting medicare go ahead and negotiate lower drug prices, save $288 million. it will be a tremendous help to people across america. i agree with her 100%. we are not going to raise taxes, we don't. on that i think when she looks at the bill and sees the whole spectrum of what we're doing and all of the energy we're bringing and all of the reduction of prices, fighting inflation and bringing prices down, more energy, hopefully she will be positive about it. she will make her decision and i respect that. >> when did you last speak with her? are you confident sh