siobhan. i am coming this way. siobhan. >> i think everyone was to believe that a woman is not strong enough to have the power to kill him. i think what the court is trying to do, i think they have already established the threat of a black man. how strong and aggressive they assume he is. but for a black woman to have that power to kill a master would just be a whole other issue. i think what the court is trying to do is justify the situation, saying it was a strong, aggressive black slave man who did it versus a slave woman that did it. i think with george -- he he already through her under the bus anyway. at that point when she was in the court, she had a chance to get revenge on him it she wanted to -- if she wanted to. she might say anything to get out of the situation. so at that point, he really was , at the mercy of celia. like forl self-preservation, he did the best thing for himself by running away. >> ok. regarding to come to mali. -- molly. >> [indiscernible] it doesn't make sense. i guess he was coverin

siobhan, you had the first question. how unusual was it for the c.i.a. director to even have a news conference? >> it was incredibly unusual. i think the last time it happened was in 2004 when c.i.a. faced sort of a similar situation which was a scathing senate intelligence committee report about the iraq intelligence failures. but i don't believe that was one was televised. this stands out, certainly, for the live nature of it. >> ifill: he seemed to straddle the question about effectiveness. reporters came at him in a couple of different ways on that question, the effectiveness of torture, in the end saying it was unknowable. how did it shake out to you? >> well, he's trying to threat thred this really tough needle where he says, well, detainees who underwent what they called these enhanced interrogation techniques, which are things like waterboarding or slamming detainees against walls or putting them in these coffin-like boxes, that after experiencing those techniques, detainees provided information. but he says that doesn't necessarily mean that the

siobhan pointed to the similarity. mother hood is a theme we have come back to again and again.e see two women who clearly on the one hand jacobs who very strategically secrets herself looking not only to secure her own liberty away from north carolina but thinking strategically about how to secure the liberty of her children. celia with two small children. there is a moment when it seems to be the case that she gives herself up in a feudal but still powerful attempt to deflect the threat that if she won't tell the story she will be separated. both narratives speak to the pervasiveness, the terrible duress that sexual assault disproportionately visits upon enslaved women. these are two powerful examples. as we have also said across the semester, our work is partly not to collapse or reduce all enslaved women all black women to one experience. we can appreciate, i think through this comparison the ways in which time and place and circumstance are essentially to ex plaining how it is that for jacobs's freedom liberation comes by way of hiding, by way of fugitive status. by way of

the fate of one's relationship to one's children -- i think that is what you were getting at, siobhan. similarity.werful here, on one hand, we might and harrietcelia jacobs as two very powerful narratives, both of which speak to the pervasiveness, the that is duress disproportionately visited on slave women. these are two powerful examples. but as we've seen all semester, our work is partly not to reduce all slave women, all black women to one experience, and we can appreciate the comparison the ways in which time and place and circumstances are essential to explaining how it is that , liberationedom comes by way of hiding by way of fugitive status by way of riding , in ating, and for celia sense, liberty comes through force, that club, that violent confrontation. two responses to what one might say at the core is a shared experience, and at the same time, and experience framed differently and has, as we know, vastly different outcomes. so, we are going to shift now. part of the way we have been talking about celia's case, particularly in how we compare her experience to harriet jacob

. >> so siobhan, i actually agree, surprisingly with what steve said. there is provision steve averted to in the information can be declassified the bade on determination the public interest of disclosure oh weighs the secrecy and that is the basis the dni ordered declassification portions of the senate intelligence committee report that were released but there is real practical problem here of resources. as sharon said declassification of their report required a lot of time by a lot of people. >> how long? >> what? >> how long? >> i can't tell you there were -- when i say i can't tell you it is because i don't know. >> i was wondering. >> i do. >> okay. >> intensive process about a month where we were back and forth in a room. >> but involved several different agencies whose equities are involved. declassification is not easy. it is very resource intensive and we don't have a lot of resources to devote to it and to a great extent those resources are driven, are driven to respond to outside pressures. foia litigation, we have thousands of foia lawsuits

especially i thank bob for coming and letting us throw tomatoes at him for an hour. [ applause ] and siobhan for her acts of journalism. [ applause ] >>> this month is the tenth anniversary of our sunday primetime program q&a. and we're featuring an encore presentation of one q&a from each year. highlighting authors, historians, journalists, filmmakers and leading public policy thinkers, from 2005 kenneth feinberg's interview on the victim compensation fund. lonny bunch on the importance of the african-american experience to u.s. history. from 2007, robert novak on his 50 years of reporting in washington. from 2008, the value of higher education in america. and from 2009, conservative commentator s.e. cupp. a decade of compelling conversations, december 22nd through the 26th. at 7:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. >>> now, an update from the pentagon from press secretary john kirby. in the briefing, he says that iraq will receive mine-resistant vehicles to deal with the roadside bombs set by isis. >> good afternoon, everybody. only seven minutes late today. i know you've seen the secretary's statem