did you ever communicate classified information to siobhan gorman? >> drake: did not. >> pelley: not once, ever? >> drake: not once, ever. that was one of the fundamental rules. whether it was oral communication, whether it was written, electronic or, later on, even in hard copy. it was all unclassified, period. >> pelley: but after those articles, the fbi raided the homes of all the people you've met in this story who filed that confidential complaint with the defense department, asking for the trailblazer investigation. >> binney: they came busting in. i was in the shower at the time. and one of them came running up and was... pointed a gun at my eyeballs. and pulled me out of the shower. >> pelley: but only drake was charged. he's being advised by the government accountability project, a washington legal organization that defends whistleblowers. drake told us that he knew he'd violated a confidentiality agreement with the nsa and he thought he might lose his job, but the prosecutors charged him under the espionage act-- not for divulging classifie

. >> host: let me bring in siobhan gorman of the "wall street journal." >> host: thanks so much for joining us. focusing on the threat question, we've seen a lot more public act acknowledgment of cyber attacks, and because we've seen a slew of discussions about, you know, the attempts on nasdaq, the attempts on sony, the attack on iranian nuclear facilities, an attack on the computer security firm rsa, i'm wondering what you've seen in terms of these attacks that has concerned you, if anything, or if this slew of attacks actually shouldn't be of concern. maybe start with jim. >> guest: they shouldn't be of concern, but none of it's particularly new. you have espionage that's been going on since the early 1980s, you have crime. very lucrative, i'm kind of sorry i'm not in the business some days, very lucrative cyber crime that's been going on for at least a decade, and then you have the military potential. a few years ago at idaho national labs we saw the test that showed you could destroy critical infrastructure with cyber attacks, so none of this is new. what concerns me is that we're havi

siobhan gorman for "the wall street journal" is our guest reporter. >> one of the other issues that has come up in the legislative proposal was the white house puts a lot of stock in the role of the department homeland security, and i talked to some of the lawmakers who have hesitation about that because the field with the dhs is still even nearly a decade old not quite yet and still kind of a young agency, and cybersecurity is an even newer responsibility for it whereas the national security agency has been doing this for decades. i'm just wondering why focus so much on the department of homeland security and how were you responding to the concerns from lawmakers because i assumed this comes up from time to time in discussions with the administration. >> we look to the different parts of government. you mentioned the the national security agency which for long as the great technical capabilities it said many times as i need someone to protect the system they are the folks i would go to the tune with the civilian responsibilities across the homeland security coming to look at the things

. >> host: also joining us today was siobhan gorman it covers national security type issues for "the wall street journal." thank you all for being on "the communicators." >> guest: thank you. >> coming up next, booktv presents after words, an hour-long program where we invite guest host to interview authors. this week, former u.s. secretary of state henry kissinger in his new book, "on china," the diplomat who accompanied president nixon to the conyers nation presents his thoughts on the history of china's relationship with the united states and its current influence on american politics and monetary policy. he shares his perspective with former nixon aide and "fox news" contributor, monica crowley. >> host: dr. kissinger, great to see you, sir, as always. so nice to see you and congratulations on your extraordinary new book, which is called quite simply, "on china." and i can't think of anybody else i would rather talk to about china. china has gone over the last few decades from being a very important concern for the united states to an important, urgent and primary concern for the

. >> host: also joining us today was siobhan gorman who coffers national security type issues for "the wall street journal". thank you all for being on "the communicators." >> guest: thank you. >> next on c-span2, remarks from the dalai lama on nonviolence in the 21st century. later, a discussion on the state of public education with sacramento mayor kevin johnson and former washington, d.c. school chancellor michelle rhee. and then a student conference on the legacy of ronald reagan and the workings of the federal government. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> earlier this year the dalai lama made his first visit to arkansas. he spoke to an audience at the university of arkansas on nonviolence in the 21st century. this is an hour and a half. >> we typically associate with widespread social change and political renovation. but i would suggest to you that these individuals from their cloistered positions have affected more positive change in our lives than many who have devoted their careers to public service in the traditional manner. why is this so? my first inkling, my first inkling of an answer came