it is a huge bankroll or of the sisi regime.ut $12 million of aid toward in immediately after the coup in 2014. potential to $20 billion on a investmentsurther coming from saudi arabia in the near future, which is part of what is going on now with these islands. so the big political issue right now in egypt is the two islands in the gulf of -- which control the eastern water weight of the red sea. -- water of the red sea. it seeeems in exchange for this money from saudi arabia and the promise of future investment egypt is going to seize control of them -- cede control of them to saudi arabia. it is a point of political weakness for sisi because h he wrote in to on this message of being a nationalist savior. amy: do you think president trump's first foreign visit bingo saudi arabia -- i believe sisi was there when the various arab leaders were there when trump visited saudi arabia -- arabia assisi, saudi well, and all that is been happening in the gulf as well in the isolation of qatar and what is happening, the authoritarian way

and sisi and the army throw them out. >> rose: president sisi. >> president sisi and for us, our i mir was one of the first people which he support sisi when he come, at that time. because that egyptian-- but their problem, they have so many problems inside. and they need to blame somebody. do you think qatar has the capability to do the economic situation as what it was or what it is now in egypt? despite all the billions being given from our other brothers in the region? i'm not sure the egyptians, they need to work inside egypt more and to do wht they need to do. we, i wish to see egypt one of the strongest countries in the world because it's one of the arab nation, the biggest nation. >> rose: the largest standing army. >> yes, we need, that they have strong army. because that's important for the arab nation. and the arab policy. that's one thing. there is change, there was an islamic government and they've been taken out by the election and another government come. look how we are working with other governments, which they are not islamic brotherhoods. we support them financially,

they pushed them really on the sisi. e heard many multinationa who have e come to our mine, yoyou know, and they visited they l looked at the system.. and they said, now we feel comforortable. does that meanan in congo we dot hahave problems? youou know. that that would be lying. >> it's sunday in rubaya. a day off, and a chance to go to church. the day is sacred for mathis too.o.it's thehe k where the miners can pray and rejoice without fear. doing something to resist violence and giving the democratic republic of the congo a chance, certificication appears s to bt least one effective first step towards justice in the minerals trade. >> and now to our global ideas series, where we meet people committed to preserving our planet's climate, flora and fauna. islands that live off tourism often lack the resources to meet their own energy requirements. grenada in the caribbean wants to reduce its dependency on fossil fuels, and promote renewable energy. our reporter k katja dohne tooa closer look at biogas production there. >

and crediting al-sisi for presiding over a democratic transition. can you imagine if trump did something like that? the entire left would be freaking out about it. so i think we have to be very reful about disentakering -- disentangling our personal dislike of donald trump from our analysis. whether it's analysts or journalists, the sort of prevalent dislike of trump i think has made it more difficult for us to be objective about trump's foreign policy. but the bigger point is that we have a pretty bad record on supporting democracy in the middle east. that's not the providence of one president or another. that's a five or six decade thing that's been pretty consistent. so i would be very careful about seeing trump as exceptional in that regard. the last thing, on the question of, does intervening lead to moranity american sentiment. yes, there is -- more anti-american sent. yes, there is data in literature which suggests a kind of relationship. but nonintervention also seems to have a relationship with the rise of extremism and terrorism. i think s

and crediting al-sisi for presiding over a democratic transition. can you imagine if trump did something like that? the entire left would be freaking out about it. so i think we have to be very reful about disentakering -- disentangling our personal dislike of donald trump from our analysis. whether it's analysts or journalists, the sort of prevalent dislike of trump i think has made it more difficult for us to be objective about trump's foreign policy. but the bigger point is that we have a pretty bad record on supporting democracy in the middle east. that's not the providence of one president or another. that's a five or six decade thing that's been pretty consistent. so i would be very careful about seeing trump as exceptional in that regard. the last thing, on the question of, does intervening lead to moranity american sentiment. yes, there is -- more anti-american sent. yes, there is data in literature which suggests a kind of relationship. but nonintervention also seems to have a relationship with the rise of extremism and terrorism. i think s

since general sisi took power, 19 new prisons have been built in egypt. 19 new prisons!ntracts for refurbishing the prisons go to the home office. so basically you would be letting the 60,000 kids down if you just decided to be pessimistic. so you work in whatever space is allowed, and actually when you're on the ground you see lots and lots of grounds for hope because people don't stop working, people don't stop agitating, trying to build, creating organisations, writing, having photography exhibitions, whatever it is that people do, they carry on doing. you talk about working in whatever space is available to you, the space you've occupied for a very, very long time has been this halfway house if you like between the orient and the west and the 0ccident, you've written about it in mezzaterra, but i think you say now that that space is becoming smaller and smaller, you're finding it more and more awkward, with that the right? actually mezzaterra was published in 2004 and after 2011 i actually think in different terms i think there were many of us who occupy what i would

so in egypt, for example, where judges did retain quite a bit of independence, president sisi has beenorking very hard on expanding the jurisdiction of the military courts so that more and more cases can bypass the relatively independent civil system and be funneled through the much more controllable system. it then, the next thing, just look at the next one and the colors on this infographic are blue for government and green for private sector because that's money, right? at least to us and red for criminal sector because the bad guys, except they're all bad guys. anyway, so we looked at the private sector and sometimes this can look like the entire system and you can say who is corrupt? everyone's corrupt, but it makes some sense to try to drill down and look at what are the specific revenue streams that are being captured by the network. so some of it back to the public sector is private procurement. that is one way, in honduras in particular, infrastructure. big infrastructure projects like road building, ports and things like that. so you'll see, you know, construction companies,

another courageous move just a few years ago in a little known speech, the current egyptian president, sisi said, is it possible that 1.6 billion muslims should want to kill the rest of the world's inhabitants so they may live? impossible. uite a courageous statement. at this moment, madam speaker, we are on the verge of wiping out isis militarily, but only the latest brand. we will only fully resolve the thinking that leads to the embrace of dark theology through a rebirth of reason modeled through courageous leadership. as we see in our battle against isis, when you call evil for evil to happen in main street media and in art, someone eventually in the real world takes it to heart. we must stop creating the rhetorical conditions for this politically motivated violence to encourage terror. there is no rationalization that can justify it. and this isn't about the freedom of speech but about the freedom from violence. ask yourself a question. here would you like to live? where people lie, steal and kill ? r where are people are good, rustworthy and free? madam speaker, i'll close with this,

amir, he was one of the first people to support sisi .ut their problem, they had so many problems inside. do you think qatar has the capability for the economic oruation as for what it was what it was in egypt, despite all the billions being given from other brothers in the region? -- the egyptians need to work inside egypt more and to do what they need to do. wish to see egypt as one of the strongest countries in the world, because it's one of the biggest arab nations. a strong army. we need that. it's important for the arab nations to work. tunisia, there was an islamic government, and they have been taken out by the election, and another government comes. look how we are working with other governments that are not islamic brotherhood's we support them financially. financial support for tunisia comes from qatar. that means we are not supporting them because of the muslim brotherhood. we are supporting the stability of any region asking us for help. what is the benefit of a small meineke like qatar -- monarchy to support these groups? if

adam, since co-creating sisi, what changed in the voice assistant space for you? what have been the biggest changes you've seen? >> what happened is siri opened up a new paradigm, a new way of interacting. assistants today are not that important. they're utilities, you use them for a few things but it's not changing business, it's not changing anyone's lives. right now there's a race to the single interface, where all of the big companies, microsoft, apple, amazon and now samsung are trying to make the assistant the next paradigm, like the browser, like the smartphone. you'll have an assistant to help you in your lives. >> can it get that complex, critics say this is gimmicky. you can tell it to play you some songs or set the reminder, but that's the extent of it. where does this go? >> the issue is today most assistants don't do that many things. they can tell you the weather, they can look up some information, but soon every service, every content you can access through the web and you can access through your mobile phone will have a new way to interact with it.

they are ya—haddy sisi saye, also known as khadija saye, who was 2a years old.e devastated by the news. 39—year—old abufars ibrahim. police now believe that in all, 79 people died in the fire but they warn that number could still increase. a minute's silence was observed across britain this morning. our correspondent frankie mccamley is in west london with some of those who observed the silence. the mood is as sombre as ever and the news that larger numbers are expected to be confirmed as bed in the coming days and weeks. yes, that is it. the investigation is well and truly ongoing. we have seen firefighters coming to the scene throughout the day, coming and going as they are on shift to make their way through the building and carry out a very complex investigation. they say it will take a matter of weeks to get through the building and there is a matter of finding dental records from abroad. so as we are getting names of victims who died in the fire that will take some time to get the rest of the names and with the numbers constantly increasing there are lots o

is linked to the billions of dollars the saudis have given to support egyptian president fatah el-sisi's government. the raids come amid a nationwide crackdown against human rights activists and journalists. meanwhile, in more news on egypt, six young men are facing execution based on confessions that human rights activists say were extracted under torture. the men are recent college graduates who were arrested in 2015, along with more than a dozen others. while their testimony was captured on camera, the men say they were beaten, shocked with electricity, and hung in painful positions, and then provided with written testimonies they were forced to read. they were sentenced to death last month on terrorism charges after a military trial. human rights activisists are now demanding a presidential pardon to save the men from execution. back in the united states, the trump administration has formally rescinded president obama's deferred action for parents of americans p program,r dapa, which would have shielded millions of immigrants with u.s. citizen or permanent resident children from depo

president obama was judged ones aspiration on words, but if you knock down these two pillars, isis and el-sisie's also letting the military do their job. not running this out of national security.an >> exactly. >> kimberly: this has been a really strategic battle being waged here. in terms of really making sure that we are even on the way to being okay. meaning they want to make sure that democratic forces there were able to get through and have easy pass, ingress and egress, back and forth.re that is part of battle success and mission readiness. that took time to be able to do. this isn't goingbl to be a quic, easy battle but it's definitely one worth fighting. and it's not just because it's to make them extinct, but it is also to send a message to those that would seek to join isis. and that they seek to recruit. we havee now then destroyed your two twin capitals of the caliphate by being able to take raqqa and being able to take mosul. that is very important, psychologically, to try to stamp out some of this resistance and people trying to come alike, join them again. >> you know there is a

finance some of the activities of the muslim brotherhood which is counter to the current president sisis something the arab countries don't like. saudi arabia and iran are natural foes. and qatar is a big u.s. ally. why? here's a close-up of qatar and what you need to see is this, very close to the capital in doha is the al udeid air base. this is the operating base for all intents and purposes for the american mideast activities. the problem is bahrain is a crucial u.s. ally. stephanie, when we've got negotiations for hostages, we are involved with qatar on that and our troops are there. we don't really like it when a bunch of our allies in top region are fighting. this does flare up every few years. but right now while we have a concentrated effort on dealing with isis, this starts to affect u.s. foreign policy because now our allies are fighting. and the president had what he thought was a successful visit to saudi arabia. one other thing worth noting, qatar finances hamas, which is the government in gaza, that is a group that the united states and israel considers a terrorist organi

al sisi from egypt has, king abdullah in jordan is committed. i believe many other nations in the middle east an africa because of trump's leadership will be. but paris, just about all of the leaders in europe are not. maybe teresa may is moving in that direction. her rhetoric certainly has changed. we'll see if her policies and actions change also. >> there's something else going on for her. there's an election on thursday. because of the terror attacks over the weekend, there was a loose agreement that apparently didn't hold very long about campaigning and stopping that while they mourn the dead and the injured and support those who are injured an hospitalized. but the politics continue on. there were questions about whether that rhetoric is, in fact, coming, as some are calling it from teresa may and not really policy or action. we saw tony blair battle this. this has been going on for many, many years. i have heard you describe it. it's like an open door policy without a whole lot of vetting going on. that's certainly a huge conversation tha

he actually has told me and president el-sisi. even with assassination of the critics of autocratic rule. despite all of this, praising all these tyrants around the world, president trump has decided to make a point of going after tiny cuba whose government for all its faults doesn't hold a candle to these other autocracies. and if the hypocrisy were not enough, it gets a whole lot worse, because in doing so, he is not going after the rights of cubans. he's trampling on the rights of americans. you, mr. president, and me, and of everybody else. i wonder how many, if any, members of congress have read the details of the president's announcement in miami, other than the couple of cuban american members of congress, neither one of whom have ever set foot in cuba, even though it's only a few miles off our coast. but they publicly took credit for writing the new white house policy. they said they were the ones that told president trump what he had to say. now, that in itself speaks volumes about the administration's so-called policy re

anthony disson, aged 65, and ya—haddy sisi saye, also known as khadija saye, was aged 24.brahim. investigators warn that due to the complex nature of the recovery operation, that death toll is likely to change. well, our correspondent richard lister reports. as they assembled this morning in the shadow of grenfell tower, there was gratitude alongside the grief before a minute of reflection. big ben tolls. parade, dismissed! applause. and then for these teams and others, the work began again, to help those who survived and recover the bodies of those who did not. today, that number rose again. this morning, i know there are 79 people that are either confirmed dead and have been identified or are missing and sadly i have to presume are dead. i do think there may be some change to that number. the work we are doing is about trying to find those people to see if they are safe and well, and thankfully, over the last few days, we have identified five people who people believed were missing, and i am so grateful that they actually are safe and well. i have investigated major crim

so now we've got sisi, who is the same thing and worse. we're saying, wow, isn't this great, we've got stability, we've got this strong man government in egypt. it's not going to last. there's going to systemic failure. so the point is, too big to fall actually fails. it does fail in the end. as it did in 2008 in the banking sector. so the real question is, how do you then put in place a framework that will avoid getting systemic risk again? and we haven't gotten there yet in the u.s. banking sector and we haven't gotten there yet in corruption in foreign countries, let alone our own countries. >> i would like to give both zephyr and sarah an opportunity for some closing remarks. so it's been a pretty wide ranging discussion, all over the map, literally. and many levels of sophistication from countries like honduras to the united states, different levels of corrupt activities. but all of them in many ways showing that if you can fix something in a country where the level of corruption is here, it doesn't mean you're out of the woods, becau

now we have sisi, which is the same thing and fact and worse. now were saying wow isn't this great we've got stability, we've got this strongman government in egypt but it's not going to last. there will be systemic failures. the point is too big to fail actually fails. it does fail in the end. as it did in 2008 in the banking sector. the real question is how do you then put in place a framework that will avoid getting systemic risks again and we haven't gotten there yet in the us banking center and corruption in foreign countries let alone our own. >> i'm afraid i will be it for the questions. i like to give both zephyr and sarah an opportunity for some closing remarks. it's been a wide range of discussion all over the map, literally. many levels of sophistication from countries like honduras, united states, different levels of corrupt activity but all of them, in many ways, showing that if you can fix something in a country where the level of corruption is here doesn't mean you're out of the woods. when you get to be a first world country ther

he has embraced erdogan, putin, general sisi while lecturing our closest allies about their commitments. and in your budget he's propose a 32% cut that would cripple our ability, frankly to engage in serious diplomacy. and, of course, there is the u.n. with casa threats of pulling out a specialized agencies and even peacekeeping operations. mr. secretary, how does a reasonable observer of that tha sorry and lamentable litany not conclude otherwise that this constitutes a serious unilateral withdrawal from long-term post-world war ii commitments, values, and policies of the united states government? >> congressman, my assessment of all, if i listen to the entire list of areas, we can go down them, a withdrawal from tpp was by and large supported by most people in this body and up here on the hill. there was little support -- >> mr. secretary, i know we could pick one or two from the litany -- >> i picking your list. >> are you going to go down the whole list because we'll run out of time? >> if you're not interested spirit i am interested but am interested in time. my question was that a

>> well, i assume, based on his conversations with egyptian president el-sisi and the crown prince ink, if you move the embassy, it will be another intifada, we won't get peace, for geopolitical reasons, don't move embassy now. that is the logic. sadly for me as somebody who took donald trump seriously at his promise he would move the embassy, i think if we moved it would say to the arabs, just stop thinking that jerusalem is anything other than the eternal indivisible capital of israel. stuart: it shows president trump of making a very strong statement up front, then rethinking it, renegotiating. >> that's true. stuart: that is what he did with nafta after all. >> right. stuart: i think that is what he might do with the paris climate accord. >> i bet he pulls out though. stuart: you do. stuart: 3:00 eastern we'll find out this afternoon. >> we will. stuart: doug, thank you very much for joining us. >> good having me. stuart: check out the big board, up 21 points. that is still at 21,000 for the dow industrials. >>> now this, president trump wants health care and tax reform done, do i

supporting presidency i presidet sisi. that's our first line of defense.uthorities. and that's what we have to reestablish. to see something, say something. again, was broken under the last administration. we have to rebuild it. we have to make those connections and do the kinds of things the nypd did, which is create amazing undercover intelligence capacity to find those people before they build the bomb. before they buy that kitchen knife and kill innocent women and children. brian: some of the things that ray kelly was doing with mike bloomberg as mayor, kicked off the fbi because they got ahead of the fbi in many cases because they wanted to take things into their own hands which would bring up another issue. now yesterday on msnbc, they believe that even this conversation goes too far that maybe we are paying too much attention to terror attacks. let's take a listen. >> go ahead. >> have analyzed these incidents post facto as well as during as you have so many times with me and others here on msnbc and nbc news, what is the risk, there is certainly a