that wouldn't work in this situationcious , is that what you are saying? >> it's hard to explain the dynamic in a para military organization where people come in and it foreign to them. >> what about an active recruiting process. i see reports that don't seem to have this information? >> for people that are open it's not a problem at all. >> i'm not saying it's a problem, chief. i say don't have a sense of it. >> if you would like, the day they get to the station, at that point in time it's usually no problem. so we can retro, in retrospect we can tell you without putting anyone on the spot. the amount of pressure that these folks put upon themselves, they want this job so bad they so have a picture of what it's like to be in law enforcement that may or may not be realistic. some of them are not as fit as others, some of them haven't been in school for a while. so we really don't want to give them one more thing to think about. but once they are clear of the gates -- >> for what you say for these purposes but asking an openly gay black man, i don't think i