i want to talk about this with rachel sklar, sally richardson, appearing in lifetime's pastor brown thisd howard kurtz. what a story to chew on. and to the parents on the panel, howard and sally, let me begin with you, howard, as a parent, for just a second, can you sympathize with this father? >> i can absolutely understand as a parent the mixture of anger and grief you must feel to have your children snatched away from you, particularly if as alleged it is done by a drunk driver. but we don't have a system of vigilante justice in this country. if the facts are as alleged, it sounds like an execution, and he acted as the judge and the jury and he carried out the sentence and i don't think even a great lawyer will be able to get him off. >> sally what about you, as a mom? >> well, just watching this story makes me sad. but i think that if there was ever a story for someone going crazy that this would be one. but also i think it is a case of why we need to have stricter gun laws. if you didn't have that gun in his house, if it wasn't so easy for him to get it, then maybe the most he could