of digital october technological entrepreneurship center maxime question eak he is the investment director at intel capital and we're also joined by yvonne sure stars he is the director of research at skolkovo institute of science and technology all right gentlemen let's start up with the issue that a lot of people talk about and it's start ups in russia. talk us through that dimitri i mean is this one of the center of focus is of the i.t. sector right now well i don't think there's thirty six you can really exist with all the start ups so you can certainly exist to maybe service in government and corporations but if you really want some growth you want some things we sure you see consumer oriented and certainly we're talking about startups is russia known as a market for that. well in the market for startups is a strange sort of phrase i would say that yes there are startups in russia we can count them in many hundreds maybe thousands of some war three i do startups but certainly the infrastructure and the ecosystem and of course especially the success stories are much fewer and much was developed in silicon valley or maybe some other places like new york city or along the. what are you how do you in the late