skorton, thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me. it's a pleasure.od interview with those folks you talked to them, they covered a lot of this ground, these are real costs, there are reimbursements for real costs, and that's quite a bit of the story. amna: your organization represents 150 medical schools, nearly 500 academic health systems, big picture if those indirect funds are kept, what is your concern about what happens to medical research in america? >> i want to focus on the downstream effect -- the most important downstream effect is people depending on the results of this research for better diagnosis, for better treatment and actual peers, our neighbors, all of us will suffer from the lack of the march of science, if we cannot do the science. as the researchers you are interviewed have indicated, these are real costs -- they are a reimbursement for real costs. they will cause us to do less research. as important as it is to the researchers in the universities, the most important negative effect of this would be that people just like us woul