and no—one knows this better than my guest today, the writer gillian slovo, whose parents, joe slovond ruth first, were hugely important figures in south africa's liberation struggle against apartheid. from teenage, gillian�*s home has been in the uk and her recent writing digs deep into british culture. but how much distance is there from her extraordinary south african backstory? gillian slovo, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. gillian, you have been writing for many decades, but your recent work, particularly your plays, have focused not so much on your own authorial voice, your imagination, they focused on real people's real stories. ijust wonder if you're getting sick of making things up. i'm not, actually, because, you know, there's part of me that wants to go back to my desk to be on my own, to make stuff up, but i've really got a lot from working in the theatre and from the collaboration that comes, not only from the crew and the directors and the actors, but actually the collaboration that comes from the people i've interviewed. and finding a way to magnify their voice onstage

applicants for the technical and oscar race films like we were recruits of ljubomir levytskyi or the slovod lysydu peaceful people, but what do you think we have by now by now understood that there are different targets, different tasks, different venues and it is not possible, obviously , films that will have our success in ukraine send to the festival or to the oscars. or somewhere, or is it still not clear in the movie party? well , it seems to me that after this oscar scandal took place, which was there 10 years ago between the tribe and povedor, there was a radical reform of the oscar committee, and the rules changed, many of them actually half of the points that the film receives, they are automatically calculated, if the film had a world premiere, publication in certain well-known e... publications, these are all automatic points that are awarded, and there is an oscar committee that provides a part, the second half, this is already voting, this system has changed, the system has changed, how people get into the oscar committee, that is, it has become more professional, so i honestl

next , the slovo house, an endless novel, taras atumenka is also a contender, i also really liked thisfilm, i especially liked how ukrainian society and social networks reacted to it, there were simply heated discussions, and it was a very timely film, because and... the interest in the 20s, in the shot revival is extremely great, we see how popular projects dedicated to this period are gathering, and the film, well, for such a superficial acquaintance of people who did not know who was such a wave, did not know who so are all the other representatives there, les kurbas and so on, it was very helpful, but again, this film is not at the level to claim an oscar statuette. well, then we go to the more serious representatives. lapa lysiad by philip sotnichenko. here is another story. this meeting was the first time she received international honors. it received a lot of good reviews from ukrainian film critics and from the cinephile audience that loves good cinema. this tape tells about period about, firstly, the investigators who, who... confuse some, well, untangle the murder of their co