slowey. the american people deserve to know that covid-19 vaccine decisions are based on science and not on personal greed, and congress should pass my bill today. thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you, senator warren. senator cassidy? >> thank you, mr. chairman. i was distracted when the senator was giving his answer but may have replied to senator casey. senator casey didn't here admiral giroir's testimony. nursing homes, heard how many are deployed to nursing home, in case he wasn't able to raise that i want to emphasize that. commenting on previous testimony secondly, dr. redfield, i thought you answered senator baldwin's question very well but i will say my office called osha as regards guidelines for people who are, you know, from businesses in terms of how to contact themselves, and osha has said they are deferring to cdc. that's not cdc's fault, mr. chairman. i recommend we have a hearing with osha to straighten that out. that's a good point. dr. giroir, the -- the -- it's my understa

slowey has conflicts of interest. so to boost the public's confidence, shouldn't he eliminate these conflicts? >> senator warnen, i am not aware of the conflicts you're describing. >> if these conflicts exist, should re resign? >> in a hypothetical situation that you're describing, again, i can't prejudge because i don't know the facts. but i do take very seriously the issue of conflicts of interest and how that might affect public perception. >> elizabeth, senator warren saying, i know you've spoken to mr. slowey, he has a financial stake in at least two pharmaceutical companies trying to push and rush through getting a vaccine approved? >> john, this is something that has to be sorted through by an ethics kms, people looking at what were his investment, what aren't. all beyond the scope of what could be talked about sort of in a quick, simple way. whether or not he has conflicts, though, i think is not what at the heart of the mistrust. that mistrust is so there. dr. wen referred to it. a poll just came out from pew

slowey holds stock in. so dr. other fda officials involved in the covid-19 vaccine must comply with conflict of interest laws. you have just told me how seriously you take that. so can you explain to me why dr. slowey should get to play by a different set of rules? >> senator warren, i can't explain the situation. i don't have any knowledge of what you describe. what i can tell you is that we have established a very bright line between operation warp speed and fda. we do not participate in their decisions. we provide technical assistance just as we would for any sponsor. >> so with all due respect, dr. hahn you told me financial conflicts of interest undermine the public's trust in a vaccine. dr. slouy has conflicts of interest. to boost the public's confidence, shouldn't he eliminate these conflicts? >> senator warren, i am not aware of the conflicts you are describing. >> hypothetically if the conflicts exist and we will only know if they exist if he makes a full disclosure but there is much evidence they exist.

i spoke to monsef slowey, this exact issue came up. here's how he described how this might unfold over the next few months. >> if it's shown in november or december, we don't have enough vaccine doses. we have a few million in november and maybe 10, 20 million of each in december. that would be enough to vaccinate certain populations. start vaccinating certain populations, but not the whole population. >> and then the idea, wolf, of sort of trying to really scale up tenfold, 20-fold from there is the real challenge. we simply don't know, and the data is double blinded. there's nobody who right now is looking at the data and so far is saying yes, for sure, this looks promising. there's going to be an independent entity that's going to do that, but we just don't know at this point, wolf. >> we all want a vaccine. we want to make sure it's safe and effective. and that takes time to develop a vaccine like that. dr. wen, polling here in the united states now shows a big drop in americans willingness to get a coronavirus vaccine. look at the

slowey, the head of your operation warp speed has said exactly the same thing. are they both wrong? >> well, i've spoken to the companies and we can have it a lot sooner. people like this would rather make it political than save lives. it is a very political thing. i've spoken to fiz pfizer, to af the people you have to speak to. we have great, moderna, johnson & johnson, and others, they can go faster than that by a lot. become very political, because the left or, i don't know -- >> so, you are suggesting that the head of your operation warp speed -- >> i disagree with both of them. and he didn't say that. he said it could be there, but it could also be much sooner. i had him in my office -- >> they talked about the summer, sir, before it's generally available. >> it's a possibility that we'll have the answer before november 1st. it could also be -- >> i'm talking about when it's generally available. >> we're going to deliver it it right away. we have the military set up. logistically, they're all set up. we have the military that delivers soldiers and they can do 200,000 a day. th