with the assistance of smartmatic software. backdoor is capable of flipping votes in the lawsuit. smart, maddox says fox had an obvious problem with their story. they needed a villain. they needed someone to blame without any true villain. defendants invented one and made smartmatic the villain in their story. there is much to understand about smartmatic. smartmatic noted in the suit that fox's story was a lie. but it was a story that sold. the lawsuit alleges fox pushed the bogus claims so it wouldn't lose viewers to newer right wing media outlets like newsmax and one american news. fox denies any wrongdoing. in fact, after smartmatic filed his lawsuit, the network said, we are proud of our 2020 election coverage and will vigorously defend this meritless lawsuit in court. yet just one day after smartmatic filed its lawsuit, this president is looking at the prospect of having this election. stolen from the network suddenly dropped fox host lou dobbs without publicly making any connection between his firing and smart maddox laws

no smartmatic knows this. i've just got to again ask, what the hell are the people who are running fox news thinking? >> and the question will be, does fox news, does news corp, learn from what just happened with dominion, which is to say, as you point out, they went through the worst part of it everything got spilled out into the public everything was exposed, the lies, the fact that many of their hosts and executives didn't believe a word what they were telling their audience, but they were trying to appease the audience with the conspiracy theories that all spilled out, and they still had to pay they settled in the end. the guess the question is, joyce, do they look and go, okay, this time, we don't want to putd ou ourselves through th, our hosts. it'll hurt, but let's cut a check to smartmatic, who is suing another billion more than dominion >> any time you go to trial in a case like this, you have the risk of punitive damages we get a number from these folks when they sue. that's the compensatory damages,

>> i think there's a very good chance that smartmatic and fox news settle this case.nformation come out as part of the dominion discovery and then settle the case at the last minute for close to a billion dollars and then go to a trial in the smartmatic case just seems to me is really implausible. i think dominion was really holding out for a lot with fox. the reason that that case didn't settle until the last minute is that their numbers when they were doing these settlement negotiations were just too far apart. dominion was asking for $1.6 billion in their case. fox news was offering to pay them way less. in the end, they ended up coming to an agreement and i expect that fox news will pay a lot of money to see the smartmatic case also come to a settle maepgt and not go to a trial. >> smartmatic says they want a retraction from fox, and fox did not do that after dominion. do you think that could happen? >> i think there's certainly a possibility. remember, fox news did air fact checks of their own reporting about smartmatic back in 2020 when these false claims about

smartmatic selection, technology and software were used in many of the states. close outcomes in their story. smartmatic was responsible for stealing the 2020 election by switching and altering votes to rig the election for joe biden, kamala harris. defendant story was a lie, all of it and they knew it . but it was a story that sold that was in the legal filing from smartmatic. what happens there? given the settlement we just saw with dominion. well remember, even before we got to the settlement, john there were months of discovery where we were seeing emails and depositions from fox personnel. that hasn't happened yet in this smartmatic case, and you're going to see that again, assuming that this goes to trial proceeds for several more months , and so you will see more depositions from fox leadership , probably more emails and, frankly, some of the same evidence that would have come out in the dominion case because again, the public has seen it, but it's not evidence yet. in the smartmatic case, so we're going to in many regards relitigate or relive that last c

smartmatic is a global company. we operate in the united states, but we operate globally and we're actually the only company that can compete globally for election business everywhere. so the dominion damages and where you look at the dominion settlement. that's a starting point for analyzing kind of where the case can go, but our damages are on a global scale, not just limited to the united states. okay, so let's talk about that, because your lawsuit against fox and the other defendants substantially more than the amount the dominion has been seeking. i think, dominion. their valuation was about 80 million. i'm not exactly sure where your valuation is. i couldn't find but you've got the $250,000 per year in revenue to $250 billion. per year in revenue million, right, correct for you so why then? i apologize. so then why then? is smartmatic entitled to $2.7 billion if it's $250 million per year in revenue. a couple of things to keep in consideration. we are looking for recovery of the enterprise value lost. our comp

in a statement, smartmatic attorney jay eric connolly ron to this.e caused by fox's disinformation campaign smartmatic looks will expose the rest fox says it is ready to defend the case around, quote extremely newsworthy events an called smartmatic's claims disconnected from reality. with me now to discuss washington post reporter sarah ellison and michael steele former chairman of the republican national committee, and former lieutenant governor of maryland. sarah, let's start wit smartmatic they are asking for a lot more money. and this case is in new york it could get public, it coul get ugly it could get expensive do you expect fox to try t settle this thing fast >> you know, after the las lawsuit on the last -- try to make a lot of prognosti explanations but i think fox certainl doesn't have any interest in going to trial with the case around these issues. they settled with dominion for a very good reason they didn't want to see thei ceo, rupert murdoch, sorry their founders burt murdoch go on air on the stand and they are going to try to avoid

smartmatic wants more than two billion dollars.artmatic also i incentivized to continue t fight. they are incentivized to continue to bring out more embarrassing revelations about fox news - in the times during this critical period of time afte the election, -- conversations. she seems to have a lot of receipts about what was goin on inside the company as i scrambled to contain the financial damage that wa happening as they wavered back and forth between saying tha joe biden had won the election and allowing, you know, a crew of colonists try to push election lies. and this was going to continue to be difficult for fox, i think at the end of the day it will purely be money how much money are they willin to pay as an employee to settle? and withdraw information fro public view? and how much can they really afford to play pay smartmati knowing they have already pu almost a billion dollars int this dominion has at least as w just ran through that list, si more defamation lawsuits pending, you've got some against newsmax, oan, trum all

so now you've got smartmatic looking at it going well, they got $787.5 million. what about us? i mean, so, what is fox doing here? are they doing anything differently about fighting this? well erin, i think the best way to answer that question is to actually read you the statement that fox news sent to cnn today after the million settlement, but in reaction to this smartmatic lawsuit coming up, fox spokesperson said, in part quote, we will be ready to defend this case surrounding extremely newsworthy events when it goes to trial, likely in 2025 remember that newsworthiness argument was one that the judge in the dominion case throughout but the quote goes on. as a report prepared by our financial expert shows smart maddox damages claims are implausible, disconnected from reality and on its face intended to chill. first amendment freedoms. so, erin, i think that we should expect to hear a lot of the same arguments that fox was using to defend in this particular case in dominion in smartmatic about the same issues for potentially two more years to come. erin thank you. it's incred

dominion is a great company, they are focused in north america, smartmatic is a global company.c is the only company that actually operates globally in this industry so when you are talking about the damages that the companies are experiencing, my client suffered global reputational harm five continents they've done business on and they've suffered reputational harm in all five of those. you are going to need to see a very significant number to come even close to making my client whole because of that. >> so, katie, i'm sorry to have a little skepticism, television negotiations, but this idea of sort of the size and scale of the company, the damages it suffered, you add that to this contaminated discovery process, as the judge found in the dominion case and i wonder where you put at this early stage smartmatic's legal strategy moving forward >> yeah, i mean, look, let's be honest, there's posturing and a little bit of posturing that happens on the public court of opinion as well as when it happens in the courtroom i will say smartmatic is actually procedurally at a very good sta

smartmatic is looking for more in damage. $2.7 billion do you think that smartmatic now smells bloodr a bigger settlement potentially? >> they sure do. look at how desperate fox was to settle the dominion suit i think that the same motivators that led them to decide to pay out more than three quarters of a billion dollars to dominion to make that defamation suit will drive their decision in the smartmatic litigation. there's a shareholders derivative suit going against the executives and officers of fox for not putting safeguards in place to protect against this kind of defamation you also have one of tucker carlson's producers, abby grossberg who is suing fox alleging they coerced her to make misrepresentations to try to protect the fox corporation you wonder if fox loses monetary judgment after monetary judgment, how long can they remain solvent, remain a going concern? >> they're not the only ones targeted dominion's legal campaign is not over they have pending defamation suits relating to false claims against the 2020 elections over newsmax, one america news net wok, overstock fo

smartmatic wants more than two billion dollars. smartmatic also is incentivize to continue to fight, they are incentivized to continue t bring out more embarrassin revelations about fox news, and, unfortunately for fox they hav a former employee who was sort of in the tenth during thi critical period of time afte the election, she seems to recorded conversations, sh seems to have a lot of receipt about what is going on as it scrambled to contain the financial damage that wa happening as it wavered back and forth between saying tha joe biden could win th election, and allowing a cre of columnist to try and push election lies. so this is going to continue t be difficult for fox, and think, at the end of the day it will purely be about th money they want to pay its employees to settle, and withdraw her information fro public view. and how much can they really afford to pay smartmatic, know to put almost a billion dollar into dominion. >> professor, let me ask about that, dominion has at least, a i just ran through that list six more d

smartmatic will expose the rest . meanwhile, a fox spokesperson said in response quote.we will be ready to defend this case surrounding extremely newsworthy events when it goes to trial, likely in 2025. as a report prepared by our financial experts show smart maddox damages claims are implausible, disconnected from reality and on its face intended to chill. first amendment freedoms so you can expect we may be talking about all of these issues again for the next two years. danny freeman, cnn wellington, delaware. i'm rosemary church for our international viewers. world sport is next and for those of you here in north america will be back with more. cnn newsroom in just a moment to stay with us. 1500 purchase allowance on a 2023 cadillac xt 56. visit your lol cadillac dealer today. cramps and spasms works absorbs quickl for relief. get back a it. their works works fast muscle relief. ferro works works , try thorough works and get back at it without the ones like you who worked tirelessly to keep things running. everything would suddenly stop. hospitals factories, schools a

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case >> we're not involved in the smartmatics cay.ave left number of defendants who have sued after we take a short break i think we'll all get back to work >> let me just ask you because of your client when john said this, fox has admitted to telling lies about dominion he's acknowledging fox acknowledging the court's rulings because what fox says is obviously because it's fox and we goesed it here between 40 and 70 lawyers had a pencil on this they actually said today, quote, we acknowledge the court's rulings. do you think that's as much as a mea culpa as we'll see publicly from fox >> it's an admission it's a level of accountability it's an admission of what the did, and what the court did was important. yes, i think it's part of the accountability really we had to do a lot of the accountability ourselves getting those documents and the summary judgment record, nicolle >> i want to ask you a question about the legal strategy it seems fox had some crushing legal blows in the last couple of weeks one was abbey grossberg suing fox an

voting technology companies, smartmatic is suing fox for $2.7 billion. cnn's danny freeman has the details. after a historic settlement for dominion voting systems, the truth matters. lies have consequences. the potential consequences of another defamation case loom on the horizon for fox news. even before dominion filed its $1.6 billion lawsuit, saying fox knowingly lied about its voting machines. smartmatic a different voting technology company, filed a similar suit this one seeking 2.7 billion in damages, accusing fox news several of its hosts and trump attorney rudy giuliani , falsely saying smartmatic rigged the 2020 election. in its complaint, smartmatic alleges fox knowingly shared more than 100, false and misleading statements, including this one. i have spoken with a few whistleblowers myself this weekend and one source who is an it specialist. told me that he knows the software and specifically advised people in texas officials in texas not to use it. and yet he was overruled . the company also argued fox falsely claimed smartmatic was linked t

that all now rolls over and gets used as evidence for smartmatic? that's not good news for fox. >> you have two things first of all, you have the public relations of it yeah, the texts are really bad pr wise because you're basically letting viewers know that you're lying to 'em when you say that donald trump is this and that. he's horrible. he's a liar. he's a destructor. also, that the election claims are just purely ly bogus then you go onto the air, and you lie to your viewers and tell them the election was rigged so that's a pr problem it does have legal consequences. what attaches to that, and what we learned from the last trial, at least the last settlement, all of that discovery is, the intent the intent to do it with malice because they were losing viewer s viewership to newsmax. that's what is so devastating about the discovery. it basically proves the pry prima facie case the lawyer is saying, "we're taking it to the end." something perhaps more troubling for fox news, if you have a company like smartmatic that is saying, "we're not going

smartmatic is in this case for the long haul. looking to take this case through trial they're looking for the vipdication of a jury verdict in their favor. in order to get back, where they can win the contracts they're now losing, they need to get an apology, they need to get a full retraction because they're in that business for the long haul. they're not looking to get out of that business >> on wednesday fox put out this statement on the smartmatic lawsuit claiming it will defend its case surrounding, quote, extremely newsworthy events. the network went onto call smartmatic's damages claims implausible and disconnected from reality meanwhile, one of the loudest promoters of the big lie my pillow ceo mike lindell has been ordered to pay $5 million to a man who successfully debunked his claims of a stolen 2020 election yesterday arbstration panel unanimously ruled against lindell who issued what he called the, quote, prove mike wrong challenge at a cyber symposyism he hosted in 2021 lindell had promised to give millions to anyon

two smartmatic.s on a global scale because we operate globally and dominion got a tremendous settlement and the dominion got compensated for the businesses they were losing in the united states. um smartmatic is looking for compensation for the business they lost in the united states and globally. so i would tell you, 7 87 is a good start, but it's not the right finishing point. so all i'll say on my way out is, um don't forget about the american people . don't forget about the people who care about democracy. don't forget about the people who care about truth because we don't have an ability to sue for those lies. you do, but we don't so please don't forget about us when you're when you're coming up with the end of this case, erik connolly appreciate it. thank you very much, sir. we won't next. the latest shooting after an innocent mistake. i'm going to speak to the grandmother of his six year old and parents attacked after the girls basketball rolled into a neighbor's yard. stay with us. businesses

smartmatic is suing fox for $2 billion. reality is not done for mourdoch and others it's horrible that we're not going to get this trial, there's no justice done. i said, no got to be blunt, i hate to say it, this is what happens when you have a 93-year-old man running a company and everybody's just a yes man to him. i can't believe murdoch 20 years ago would have settled this months ago you settle these things early if you're fox or if you're another business so you don't humiliate everybody at the network oh, they did that. they said we're going to be stubborn we're going to humiliate all of our anchors. we're going to humiliate all of our executives, everybody that works at this network and we're going to fight a case that we know we're going to lose because we're stubborn then at the last second, they pay $800 billion -- >> million >> $800 million. $800 million so they've the worst of both worlds now, they've got another suit coming. >> this case was always going to settle lot of folks said, is it surprising that we're

the smartmatic case is much — and the way it went.ou can be sure there would leverage what is already been done in discovery by dominion the stop does it follow that fox will have to settle in that case as well? 1 it follow that fox will have to settle in that case as well? i think the incentives _ settle in that case as well? i think the incentives to _ settle in that case as well? i think the incentives to settle _ settle in that case as well? i think the incentives to settle that - settle in that case as well? i think the incentives to settle that case | the incentives to settle that case are always strong, the same incentives regarding the dominion litigation. because of this supplement it makes it harder for fox to defend the smartmatic case. i don't know if it were that end up that way but in our legal system here the incentives for parties to settle are always quite strong and in most cases our legal systems settle. it's a 24 tragedy for lovers of courtroom drama like myself but i wouldn't be surprised at all if the smartmatic

that is been fox's defense and that will be their defense in smartmatic.e already indicated that. well, we were letting them to the reporting. without audio reveals is that is not -- they were in cahoots. the trump people also did not believe the things that were saying but were saying it because it was a way to attack and undermine the legitimacy of the election and keep themselves in power and they need to places like fox news to take those deceptions, to launder them, and add some validity to it. to me, that is the significance of the audio, shows the other side of this. it totally obliterates a little bit of defense they still have for subsequent litigation. it will hurt them not only with smartmatic, but with the shareholder derivative lawsuits that are currently unfolding because this goes to show the level of intentionality of deception on the part of fox news and how they breached their fiduciary responsibilities. amy: the lever is reporting fox's mass settlement could also mean a tax break as large as $213 million for fox. almost one third of what

you only heard the name of dominion in smartmatic and vice versa, the two great say tans here that the propagators cited and i wonder the large question here, which is, having had this kind of a settlement in the dominion case, how does that settlement, how does the specter of that settlement hover over the smartmatic case or does it or does it not to the extent how does it? over all of these legal cases, does there -- is there an appreciable effect from the settlement that will now kind of change the course of history on all of these -- in all these other legal forums and filings >> sure there's an effect. it's not a straight line legal effect it's more like the guillotine, the shadow, like has its effect when it falls and hangs, but it's overhanging in the lawsuits that will be brought by smartmatic and in the remaining suits by dominion. now everybody knows that dominion is willing to pay north of 650, maybe $750 million, to get rid of one of these lawsuits and there are individuals that are going to be sued and other companies being sued and there are other plaintiffs suing we have

and neither did smartmatic. oh of course, the italians. i mean, it's so nonsensical. all of it. ah and yet they completely abdicated whatever pretense of journalism ever had, and it really honestly, this has nothing to do with what every other news network does. this has to do with fox news, mac and o n. n jake. you say that it's of course we didn't and that's great that you never believed that i can tell you that there is a large percent of the population that did believe it because they tune in to fox is their trusted news source. but that's my question. why not force them to tell all those people all those misled americans, which polls indicate millions of them still believe this nonsense. why not force them to say we shouldn't have done that? that was false. you have been misled. joe biden. actually one dominion and smart, manic and all that stuff. like we'll give you $200 million more if you don't force us to do it because you could have forced them to do it. uh well, a the defamation the defamation. part of the law is really not built around. apologies it is built to, um c

smartmatic will expose the rest. all right. danny freeman is outfront live in wilmington, delaware, where he has been following the dominion case. and danny just starting there, right where we are tonight. this is making history in terms of the size. it is a massive settlement. aaron it is making history. it is a massive settlement, but i gotta be honest. i spoke with one of the lead attorneys for dominion just in the past hour, and he said that the reality of the settlement is that it is pretty straightforward. yes, that's $787 million. yes they found a victory that the court end fox did, at least for the specific lies told in the 2020 election. they have acknowledged that they were in fact lies but again, like you said, no fox town has to go on the air and necessarily take an apology for it or correct the record if you will to its viewers, but i will say i am learning a little bit more about just how that settlement came together today, really? at the 11th hour today, those papers were signed and told just minutes before the

smartmatic will expose the rest. so you can see there are very eager to take fox to task over over the lives they spread in the wake of the 2020 election. i should also note alex that dominion also has ongoing lawsuits and other right wing channels. they're suing o a n newsmax, as well as pro chump figures like mike lindell and sidney powell and rudy giuliani . so that will be interesting to see how those lawsuits go through the court system. dominion assuming newsmax and oh, and it's interesting because they don't have the deep pockets necessarily that fox news does and so it could really impact them and far more adverse way. lots more to come for both companies and oliver, you have some incredible behind the scenes details about how fox and dominion reached this settlement. that's right. my colleague marshal cohen, and i spoke with people who are directly related to the settlement here, and the process is almost something like outside of hbo's session. i mean, it was really a dramatic 36 hours that led up to this h

smartmatic will expose the rest.wing a leopard never shows its spots, fox responded telling axios, there is nothing more newsworthy than covering the president of the united states and his lawyers, making allegations of voter fraud except that judge eric davis already shut down that defense from being used in the dominion trial, telling fox's lawyers in a pretrial hearing, quote, just because somebody is newsworthy doesn't mean you can defame somebody and then there are the pair of lawsuits from former fox news producer abby grossberg alleging the network had a toxic workplace culture of discrimination and that company lawyers coerced and intimidated her to providing misleading testimony when she was questioned in a deposition in the dominion case. she was fired by fox after she filed her suit fox says her legal claims are, quote, riddled with false allegations. she also handed over several audio recordings that she made featuring rudy giuliani and other trump al lice admitting they had no evidence of issues with dom

it doesn't seem like a lot of change for, and the smartmatic suit where they're saying $2.7 million, the same thing was done to us. it seems fox news has successfully bought their way out of account nlt before and have done it again today >> that's no shocker because we have always talked about what type of judicial system exists and how it favors the rich to your point, smartmatic is knocking on the doors of the courthouse, we're in the infancy in terms of where we are in the litigation posture they won on appeal being able to keep in certain defendants the discovery from this dominion case is not exclusive to just the dominion case. you're going to have this road map created to be able to provide somebody like smartmatic the keys to the kingdom to say this is what you need to look for and what you're going to find i want to adjust expectations here they might be claiming more in damages but it was a smaller market share when it comes to this voting software we also have shareholder derivative lawsuits that are still being teed up. fox is going to spend more time in court, but will

might we see the same thing happened with the smartmatic case? might we start to see damaging leaks starting to trickle out? right well, i certainly think that in smartmatic, we will get new evidence. i'm not sure how much new evidence will get because when you go back and look at smart maddox complaint against fox news, a lot of the statements that they're claiming or defamatory or statements that were linked with dominion. remember one of the big conspiracy theories that was on eric fox news at the time was that smartmatic owned dominion and the two companies were working in tandem, so it's a lot of the same evidence and i expect that to be part of the discovery that we're going to see in the smartmatic case as far as dominion not getting an apology from fox news, i actually would defend them a little bit here. we got an enormous amount of evidence in discovery and the dominion case that made exceptionally clear that fox news hosts promoted these claims about a false election despite privately knowing them to be true, so in addition to the $787

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tell us more about that smartmatic case. that one has not made the headlines i think domeppian has.n what it is and how strong you think it is >> smartmatic is based in london and cacompetitor to dominion and this case will be in new york where defamation is probably better for defendants than in delaware, but it is a strong case. there's word that the discovery will come out with more than we have already with the dominion lawsuit. and smartmatic is particularly spry plaintiff you may remember, jonathan, in their complaint they started off by saying the earth is round, two plus two equals four, and joe biden and kamala harris won the 2020 election. so that's just the beginning of their lawsuit. and they are saying they're going to go to the map against fox news and hold them accountable, but we've already seen how it's a lot to ask a private company to save our democracy. see our civil litigation, our civil justice system is based on the personal interests of private litigants. so if they think it's good for their investors and shareholders to settle regardless of any additional ac

smartmatic is going to use this case as a blueprint. they now know where fox keeps the documents.x maybe sometimes can't find the documents they are ready to go, so too are other plaintiffs, maybe some we haven't heard about yet. fox was in an untenable intractable position they knew they had to hold out as long as they could so they could at least dissuade some of these other folks out there. it is magical thinking, but this is the poker game of civil litigation, negotiation and settlement. >> so all of this information stuff that has cop me out over h last months, will this be able to be utilized by this other group, smartmatic, in their case >> to the extent it helps smartmatic a lot of the discovery was specific to dominion even the stuff that was specific to dominion, we now know who was emailing whom who was where in the chain of command and what they were talking about. talk about all the different threads that smartmatic can pull on this sweater and get to the bottom much faster than dominion dominion was the vanguard. dominion had to break down all the walls of discovery

it to be an entirel reasonable possibility tha they will try to settle th smartmatic case.matic is also asking for much higher amount of money, i believe north of two billion almost three billion dollars you know, fox has not given up that kind of money so far. but it's i think a ver realistic thing to believe tha they understand the need to pu this behind them, right. today was all about not having a trial of six weeks, where it would be day after day o negative headlines about how fox told its audience one stor that knew not to be true so, i think they want to put this behind them we will see. -- i don't know [inaudible smartmatic and how willing the are to settle. but fox definitely wants to ge this out of the way. >> this lawsuit may be over. but the defamation floodgate may have just. opened open geoff bennett, katie phang, jeremy peters, thank you all s much when we come back, ron desanti wrapping up his fight agains disney, why? even threatening to build prison next to their theme parks. max rose and mark mckinnon are here on that and the fox new settlement with domi

smartmatic will expose the rest . and so there is more litigation jake for fox news to deal with down the line, but still $787 million is not is not a small figure for fox to have to shell out for those lies no and as was noted earlier by elie honig. the company isn't even worth $100 million, much less $787,500,000. oliver darcy, thanks so much. keep telling us news as it develops. let's bring back cnn legal analysts laura coates. and elie honig, ellen. and what do you make about the fact that the settlement amount was not confidential? i'm sure fox would have preferred that it was, of course, this is a really surprising and important detail here, jake that the amount is not confidential. and that's why we just saw dominion get out and proudly announced this really astonishing figure. i mean, it is, as we just said, it is 10 times what dominion is worth. and so this dollar figure is, of course, about the bottom line. like you noted. dominion is not a large company. it's a privately held company they have about 202 150

will you turn those tapes over to smartmatic. >> approximately 90 tapes.s of going through them all. and we have already received the subpoena from smartmatic and we intend to be fully cooperative with that subpoena. i will just note, on what oliver just said, it -- my short-term memory is not that great given my age, but i remember a couple of weeks ago fox said something similar about believing it was going to win the dominion lawsuit and settled it for $787 million. i also remember that -- that fox took a ridiculous position for which it was excoriated by the judge in delaware, judge davis, that rupert murdoch was not in fact in an operative role in the -- in the fox news operation. and that is what caused a hearing to lead to the appointment of a special master. and that and the evidence that we submitted in that lawsuit. and it is only after that, that experience that -- that fox seems to be singing a new tune today. >> i know you've already released part of a tape involving a conversation with senator ted cruz and fox host maria bartiromo and he outl

remember, there's an utter voting company, smartmatic they mate voting machines as well they were wrapped the lie and conspiracy theories they are also suing fox. they are suing fox for 2. billion dollars. also accusing them of airing false statements about their company in the context of th coverage of the 2020 election. in the wake of the news of the settlement with dominion, lawyer for smartmati immediately released statement saying in part, quote, the minions litigation exposed the misconduct and damaged cars by fox's information campaign smartmatic will expose the rest fox will not only have to deal with another likely damaging set of facts, it may also have just advertised what their price is how much they are willing to pay to make them go away we don't know yet. we may never know anything but the details of today's settlement beyond that dolla amount it is very likely that fox's statement this afternoon is as close as they will ever get to issuing some form of an apolog or acknowledgment of their wrongdoing writing in part, quote, we acknowledge the courts rulings finding certain

without a doubt, smartmatic has to be ecstatic at this hearing and this outcome yesterday because smart maddox still has a pending defamation lawsuit against fox as well. all of the evidence that we saw came out in the in the dominion case that is completely going to be available to smartmatic as well. they can use that same evidence they can build on it. i don't see any reasonable way here where fox pays so much money to make dominion go away and then goes to trial with smartmatic. if i'm smart, matt exploiters. i'm saying they're ready to pay. they have to pay and they're going to pay. me a lot on a grateful for the insights on this day will watches the additional cases move forward. thank you with me in studio to share their reporting and their insights. margaret tallow of axios. politico's alex burns and tia mitchell of the atlanta journal constitution. capitalism won dominion one did democracy. get anything out of this? i mean , this is actually more interesting question that it sounds like on the surface because on the one hand there was a ton of disclosure. justin what led up to

fox news, has denied any wrongdoing and is fighting the smartmatic lawsuit . last minute settlement with dominion spared fox from having to do an on air retraction or apology about spreading election lies, and the network avoided a potentially embarrassing trial with rupert murdoch took carlson and other fox news stars taking the stand smart maddox lawyer will join us live in the next hour to talk about all of that. that will be really interesting this morning. sad have the u. ss bracing for more potential violence and a russian warplane accidentally bombed its own city . look at the devastation is next. do their fragging seeds in the onion bag. you don't get it . do you go all in the limited slip diff lets you hammer the throttle sports sedan. ego numb one rated brandon cordless outdoor power bngs you the select cut more cuomized the cut with three interchangeable blades cuts for over an hour on a single charge ego exclusively at lowe's ego authorized dealers. we just signed the lease on our third shop. i guess we're a chain now, right? we worked so hard to g

this 2$2.7 billion defamation lawsuit brought by smartmatic.dominion's litigation exposed some of the misconduct and damage, smartatic will expose the rest they said they will fight this lawsuit and specifically they're taking issue with the 2$2.7 billion. they said that will have a chilling effect on freedom of speech and fox says that's what they were going to fight in this courthouse and they say they're planning to fight it down the road probably as late as 2025. >> stephanie gosk, thank you very much. >>> joining me now is former u.s. attorney joyce vance. i know you were on the air when this settlement was announced. i announced it in the last few seconds of my show and you were on with nicole it's a lot of money, but again no apology from fox. if you can afford to tell your viewers lies, if you can afford $787 million, it appears fox can afford it, what sort of system do we have in place that that can enforce the truth? what is the punishment >> i think you're identifying one of the central issues that we have in dealing with disinformat

i'm sure smartmatic is like they're happy about it. smartmatic hit the jackpot. they still have a pending lawsuit against fox news. i can't see fox news paying this much money to avoid trial with dominion and then going to try with smartmatic. i think smart maddox lawyers are rubbing their hands and by the way, dominion is a privately held. so it is it. is it a private equity company is that private equity exactly so they have to protect their bottom 10 times more money than the valuation of their country, their company. into their corporation. they have to think about their employees and their bottom line. interesting thing about them that their lawyers right up is it. um a number of the employees our shareholders in the company, exactly. 215 places quite end answer anderson cooper last night and he asked all the employees of pressing but they said, well, a lot of the employees our shareholders, hopefully, you know, it goes to some of the employees or most of the employees be interesting if it went to the because their name and who they work for every day was dr

it's great news for smartmatic, jake because first of all, the number is enormous. second of all, smartmatic gets to use all this evidence all these texts that we've learned about from people behind the scenes. tucker carlson, sean hannity, rupert murdoch, those are all about elbow to smartmatic. they can use them to establish the same falsity. now as to alison's point, i completely agree with her that one of the huge motivations for fox news here is to avoid the absolute journalistic and probably legal disaster that would have come with having to put rupert murdoch on the stand. that was an important pre trial ruling that he did have to testify. the thing though. looking at this from dominions point of view is you can't assume 100% a jury will come back and dominions favor. i think the evidence was very strongly in dominions favor, but juries are inherently unpredictable. there's 12 human beings. you get one person on that jury who sympathizes with fox news. you're not going to get a verdict. the other thing is, i do not think it is at all safe to assume. that deme

, is that good sign for smartmatic that it is in line for a settlement as well if it goes that way >> yeah, it is an excellent sign and i think that fox has calculated as part of its effort to settle this case that it wants to be done with all of this so in the calculation, i suspect is why does it take to settle the smartmatic case as with well >> jeremy met peters, we had technical issues so i don't know how much of the conversation you've heard, but you did important reporting ahead of the drama. and i wonder if you can take us through your sort of a stage-setting piece about the stakes of a trial, what is sacrificed if anything, if there is a settlement. dominion seems to have a legal mission here but also a moral one against lies and propaganda and disinformation that has harmed their company and their employees. take me through where things stand in your view >> so you hit on something really important which is why i think that talks of a settlement are not -- a little bit overblown. i think dominion sees this case as something much larger than just a billion dollar settlement i

blit filed by smartmatic, experts say the likelihood of a settlement in that case does appear high. no trial date has been scheduled yet. rhiannon lindsay. thank you. you fall out from the leak of highly sensitive pentagon documents. suspected leakers air force unit on cape cod has now been stripped of its intelligence mission. 21 year old jack teixeira is due back in court today accused of posting the sensitive u. s intelligence documents in a chat room. the air force inspector general's now looking into how to share a got access to those documents and now to that deadly parking garage collapse here in new york city, where first responders use new technology to search for survivors in the rubble. this morning new questions about the history of violations at this new york parking garage dating back decades before the structure suddenly collapsed. yesterday my car was collateral damage for the building behind it. and it was crushed and totally gone. but again now that matters with human life at stake , witnesses say the four story parking garage pancaked without warning, sending cars

they have a suit from smartmatic. they also have a suit with one of their own producers that's suing them, claiming that they misled her during testimony. and so what happens is when you settle a case like this, you're setting a precedent for how you legally are going to likely need to handle all of the other chances in this case, we know that what they're willing to do is pay up in order to make sure their exact never have to face a trial. you can best believe leave that smartmatic who's by the way, their lawsuit is much bigger than dominions. yeah you leverage the discovery that they found during the dominion hearing to strengthen their case , and they're going to leverage the fact that facts just made a huge payout. to a different competitor when they're trying to negotiate for their settlement. if they do all been here before, and i mean, not a lot, but where you've had to. we had to go on air and say even if we didn't do it, we start. we regret the mistake. we apologize, whatever. and we correct it and move on th

so that sort of information moving into the smartmatic case, the $2 billion lawsuit, might be somethingt fox decided the freight was a little too heavy to bear and it was time to rip the band-aid off. >> eric, i mentioned don lemon is also out from cnn both sides agreed he's leaving lemon tweeted that he learned it from his agent cnn tweeted out a statement saying, quote, don lemon's statement about this morning's events is inaccurate he was offered an opportunity to meet with management but instead released a statement on twitter. lemon also said, by the way, eric, that there were larger issues at play what do you make of this >> well, i think it's going to take some reporting and some time for the dust to settle to figure out exactly what happened here it seems obvious that don lemon's comments that were viewed as misogynistic and problematic earlier, that that has continued to resonate and that was making it difficult for the channel. "the l.a. times" has one quote saying they're hearing from unnamed sources that there was a backlash building amongst advertisers and people who might

. >> have you been contacted by smartmatic >> yes. >> and you've shared all the recordings with themi have been subpoenaed. we haven't shared anything. >> that goes to how there's so much open pressure but for folks who may not have seen that entire interview and you have her speaking out, but mr. carlson abruptly removed from fox, what is it you want to convoy through this case to the public and what exactly was done wrong to her from a legal perspective? >> thank you, ari. i'll be as brief as i can -- i think the most important thing to understand about ms. grossberg's case, that it's a case that really speaks to what goes on when you have the natural power imbalance that occurs in the workplace, always employers have greater power over employees that's natural but when that power imbalance is nuclearized and weaponized by this malicious intent to really use people, to abuse people, and in the service of an industry, we've found now through the lawsuit in dominion -- and we will soon find, i'm sure, through the lawsuit in smartmatic, it's an industry at fox news that trades on lies